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 Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/05/15 10:35 PM
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I was just thinking. It seems you can spend under $500 and get a Basic rifle which will shoot 1 MOA, or you can spend another $4,500+ and shoot .5 MOA..... HUMMMMMM 
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/05/15 10:59 PM
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$500 in rifle and a competent hand loader can (not always) but can get .5 MOA.
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/05/15 10:59 PM
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You been drinking? Your math and shopping list is off 
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/05/15 11:04 PM
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Your statement is true, but some basic $500 out of the box rifles shoot .5 MOA as is. Add a good bedding job to that basic rifle & you can usually get .5 MOA no problem. Cost do it yourself $25 to $100 for the 'smithy.
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/05/15 11:33 PM
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If Moa is your only measure of rifle... Sure
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/05/15 11:41 PM
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I'd be willing to bet most of those $4,500 rifles will shoot a lot smaller than .5. Also, how much fun is buying a rifle off the shelf? Think of all these gunsmiths trying to feed their families. I look at it as my civic duty to do my part. 
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/05/15 11:46 PM
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If Moa is your only measure of rifle... Sure This^. Sure, you can expect most bolt guns to shoot 1 moa or better with the right ammo- and accuracy is #1- but you still get what you pay for. The remington 750 woodsmaster is very appealing to me. I would expect maybe 2 moa with factory ammo, and there are more accurate and reliable autoloaders for the money, but then there is the handling, craftsmanship, and style...
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/05/15 11:53 PM
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Different strokes for different folks - spend what you can and make it work for you.
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 12:14 AM
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ya'll are getting it, all great responses .
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 12:18 AM
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Many high dollar rifles are nothing more than a "look at what I got tool" being shot by "tools" that couldn't hit .5 moa with a laser pointer at 5 yds from their desk chair. High dollar equipment as we know doesn't make a person a shooter.
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 12:45 AM
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Well duh. That being said if you can afford a high end rifle you can afford lots of ammo and lessons. Let's face it, with enough dedication and money the majority of people could shoot well. The results of Fireman's lessons prove with proper fundamentals shooting well isn't unachievable.
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 01:02 AM
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^^Thank you, sir^^ The least expensive rifle I have had on the range was a Savage Axis .308, shooting Chad's bulk match ammo. We learned the best the rifle/ ammo could do was about 1 1/4" to 1 3/4" MOA at 100 yards. Well, my big steel targets are 2 MOA, so off we went to 800 yards, and all of them got hit, more than once by a $289.00 rifle. Would a $2k + rifle have shot better? Maybe, but that's not what he brought and no way am I going to tell someone their rifle isn't good enough. Lets find out what it can do, by taking the shooter out of the equation. The $1k Leupold MK 4 sitting on top sure did help though 
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 01:06 AM
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This is my rifle their are others similar but this one is mine
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 01:14 AM
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$500 in rifle and a competent hand loader can (not always) but can get .5 MOA. Bingo.  Been doing it this way for a long time.
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10/06/15 01:29 AM
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^^Thank you, sir^^ The least expensive rifle I have had on the range was a Savage Axis .308, shooting Chad's bulk match ammo. We learned the best the rifle/ ammo could do was about 1 1/4" to 1 3/4" MOA at 100 yards. Well, my big steel targets are 2 MOA, so off we went to 800 yards, and all of them got hit, more than once by a $289.00 rifle. Would a $2k + rifle have shot better? Maybe, but that's not what he brought and no way am I going to tell someone their rifle isn't good enough. Lets find out what it can do, by taking the shooter out of the equation. The $1k Leupold MK 4 sitting on top sure did help though Looking back in history at dudes like Simo Hayha, you have to think about it. A 2-3 moa rifle in the hands of a competent shooter is a whole lot better than a .5 moa gun in the hands of someone that is not. I know a guy that can connect on a man sized silhouette at 1k yards more often than not, with just a m4 service rifle and an acog. A standard m4 that's probably over cleaned and worn out, with a bad crown from the use of a blank firing adaptor. Oh, and regular old M855 ball.
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 01:36 AM
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I have two Savages, one that is a 7mm08 and a 300 win mag both that were re-barreled by me. I have $1500 or less in each gun without scope. One shoots .25 and the other shoots .150 moa. I believe the most important thing I did though was to start reloading.
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10/06/15 01:49 AM
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I picked up a 'Dicks special' 700 ADL IN .243 for somewhere around $300. Took it to a smith for another $300 and then gave it to Chad to work his magic, he shot .5 with 2 different loads (I believe he posted a pic here some time ago). Unfortunately what others say about the shooter is correct...only .5 for me is with 4 shots, that awful 5th is my nemesis! P_102
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 02:10 AM
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I've got a $400 rifle and $300 scope that can shoot .5 MOA with factory match ammo (federal 168 grain SMK).
I think the difference is that you have to get a little lucky to find a shooter that's that good from the factory in the lower end price range. Sometimes you do...sometimes you don't. The $5,000 rifles will shoot that good or the rifle builder will tweak it til it does.
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 12:29 PM
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2000.00 seems cheap for a 100% improvement. Honest to goodness .5 MOA are sure a pleasure to play with.
"Anyone taking up handloading necessarily plays with unknown factors and takes chances. But so does anyone who drives a car,goes to a cocktail party,eats in a restaurant,or gets married."
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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There are 1/2 MOA rifles, and 1/2 MOA shooters. I have several of the former, but for me the latter can vary from day to day. Some days I can't do anything wrong, some days there is LOTS of room for improvement!
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 01:41 PM
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$650 gun, $100 scope, 4 shots at 100 yards = 0.467" You don't have to have an expensive gun to shoot tight groups. Although I am building me one  
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 01:49 PM
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i have fought one too many factory guns that shot horribly, and have terrible triggers to mess with them. I'd rather have one or two custom pieces of work that are reliable and shoot lights out, with excellent glass and triggers, than a safe full of 300.00 rifles.
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 02:05 PM
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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10/06/15 03:23 PM
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Remington 700 varmint .308, aftermarket trigger, aftermarket stock and hand loads equals great shooting rifle for less than a grand.
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Re: Figured it out, $2,000+ gets you .5 MOA
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Another way to think of this is as you increase budget you increase the odds of getting a more accurate rifle. That's not to say a lower price rifle can't shoot, but the likelihood of that is lower mainly because of the quality control desired in mass production.
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