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 Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 02:23 PM
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If they'll bite a worm on hook, who cares what they're called.....  Because some types of BG, are better choice for pond management. A bg that is prolific, but doesn't hurt, but enhances the food chain, (diet verses # of offspring) is better. That is why I say put in the coppernose BG. Billy bob, you may regret having the crappie in such a small pond, every time I have seen it done like that, they over produce and end up small and skinny. Maybe the hybrids will solve that for you though. I think Hybrids would be fun and "kewl" as long as you can supply enough feed fish. AND they taste good 
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 02:27 PM
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Never meant to be negative by any of my posts just informative, and I think your right about the crappie for sure, you will probably end up with a ton of small crappie as the years go by
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 02:29 PM
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Actually they are black crappie...apparently not as prolific breeder as the white. You still have to harvest them which I love to do any way. No catch and release on this ranch!
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 02:31 PM
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Stay on top of em and you should have a never ending crappie supply lol
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 02:36 PM
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Never meant to be negative by any of my posts just informative, and I think your right about the crappie for sure, you will probably end up with a ton of small crappie as the years go by Never took anything as being negative. I like to get a consensus. And I'm appreciative of any input both negative and positive.
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 02:59 PM
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Get rid of the green sunfish. They will out compete your Blue gill for food, breed prolifically, and never get large enough to do anything with but use as trot line bait. If you catch any more, toss them on the bank or slice them up and use as bait. Do not throw them back into the water.
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 03:13 PM
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That's what I was thinking...but actually they are both food for my crappie and hybrid stripers
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 03:22 PM
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Either of those perch, especially the Goggle Eye is the bee's knees on a light fly rod. Great eating too! I was born with a split bamboo fly rod in my hand and was raised on Goggle Eyes.
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 03:27 PM
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Yeah I've also called those Warmouths for years also. Not sure if I was right in that labeling though. They can fight and get good sized.
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 03:41 PM
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Warmouths are a different species.
The Green Sunfish isn't very prolific. They only spawn annually. Bluegills and Coppernose have a rolling spawn that can continue all Spring and into Autumn.
I don't hesitate to pull small GSF from my forage pond and put in my larger one. Being more fusiform, they are a preferred bass forage. Over the life of the pond, the BG and CNBG usually out spawn them until they pretty much disappear.
If you ever catch a 8 to 9 inch GSF, you'll be a big fan of those mutts.
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 04:00 PM
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BTW, birds bringing fish or fish eggs doesn't happen.
I'm a pond junkie and had heard that for years. So, I killed some ducks and tried to get fish eggs to stick to their feet, feathers and beaks. It didn't happen. If it did happen, non oxygenated eggs wouldn't be viable. Without adult protection they would get eaten. I figure it could theoretically happen but maybe one time in a really large number. 95-99% of all the eggs ever laid, due to predation, never get the chance to survive into a viable spawning fish. That's just natures way of keeping everything in balance.
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Re: Fish Status
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I've always hear that they ate the eggs then pooped them in a pond 
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Re: Fish Status
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BTW, birds bringing fish or fish eggs doesn't happen.
I'm a pond junkie and had heard that for years. So, I killed some ducks and tried to get fish eggs to stick to their feet, feathers and beaks. It didn't happen. If it did happen, non oxygenated eggs wouldn't be viable. Without adult protection they would get eaten. I figure it could theoretically happen but maybe one time in a really large number. 95-99% of all the eggs ever laid, due to predation, never get the chance to survive into a viable spawning fish. That's just natures way of keeping everything in balance. All it takes is one time for a few eggs to make it and survive which i understand the probability being very slim but I've seen this scenario in a lot of ponds. Non introduced species in a stocked tank. They get there some way or another. And just to point out a few things on your experiment. A dead duck is extremely different than a live duck, you ever see em take a bath or any bird for that matter, all it takes is for them to do that over a batch of 100,000 eggs and shower themselfs with eggs then jump over to the next pond a quarter mile away. It happens one way or the other, it's inevitable
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Re: Fish Status
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I've always hear that they ate the eggs then pooped them in a pond Thats another theory too, I don't no how they would hold up though the digestive system but that could happen as well
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Re: Fish Status
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I had a Game warden tell the the same thing about bird legs and fish eggs. I really would like to know how this happens!
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 10:22 PM
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I had a Game warden tell the the same thing about bird legs and fish eggs. I really would like to know how this happens! I have had the district head of fisheries here tell me the same thing, his wife worked with my wife for many years. Also how many of our lakes have been plagued wit those damn mussels now as well. Not just boaters.
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Re: Fish Status
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10/02/15 10:33 PM
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We have one tank that goes dry before the others get low. It has never been stocked, but a year after it has gone dry it always has fish in it, usually nothing more than small perch, but enough that the grandkids are happy with a cane pole and some worms. I go with the theory that birds are responsible, there is no other way the fish or eggs could get there.
But we have caught catfish, killed bull frogs and had a few water snakes show up. This tank is about an 1/8 of mile to the closest other body or water, and almost a 1/4 mile to the next one. Both of the closest tanks are down hill of this one, so overflow did not get the fish up hill to this tank. This tank drainage is on the side of a caliche hill, it has a nothing to provide fish or fish eggs on it.
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Re: Fish Status
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10/05/15 04:26 AM
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We have one tank that goes dry before the others get low. It has never been stocked, but a year after it has gone dry it always has fish in it, usually nothing more than small perch, but enough that the grandkids are happy with a cane pole and some worms. I go with the theory that birds are responsible, there is no other way the fish or eggs could get there.
But we have caught catfish, killed bull frogs and had a few water snakes show up. This tank is about an 1/8 of mile to the closest other body or water, and almost a 1/4 mile to the next one. Both of the closest tanks are down hill of this one, so overflow did not get the fish up hill to this tank. This tank drainage is on the side of a caliche hill, it has a nothing to provide fish or fish eggs on it. Really wish we had a definitive answer on this! I'm not saying I don't buy into the birds leg thing but seems to be a bit of a stretch.
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Re: Fish Status
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10/05/15 11:01 AM
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I guess it's theoretically possible but I can't make it work. Nor do I find any research to prove it. No parent to protect it or oxygenate by finning would make it extremely improbable.
There are instances where sand bass have pulled off a spawn on windswept rip rap with no creek or river inflow.
That said, mosquito fish(gambusia) seem to show up in a lot of East Texas ponds.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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