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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
[Re: kmon11]
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09/29/15 03:22 PM
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bjankowski
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That's the problem with archery; not everyone that owns a bow is an expert, although a lot of them think so. One of the more accurate statements I have read lately. That comes from experience brother, trust me all the years I've spend in archery I just about seen everything. I was around when the first compounds came out, you should have heard some of the myths back then.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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09/29/15 03:58 PM
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That's the problem with archery; not everyone that owns a bow is an expert, although a lot of them think so. One of the more accurate statements I have read lately. That comes from experience brother, trust me all the years I've spend in archery I just about seen everything. I was around when the first compounds came out, you should have heard some of the myths back then. Think you are a little more seasoned in bows than I am, got my first compound in 1980 when I switched from a 45lb recurve to a compound. These days since I have access to a bow press I do my own work on bows, trust myself to keep my bows in tune more than most bow shops.
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lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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09/29/15 04:02 PM
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20 years ago 70 lb bows shot as fast as today's 50lb bows. He is newer to bow hunting then he leds on.
this is the key right here. Bows now shoot as fast or faster as the bows from 5-7 years ago with less draw weight. my buddy was shooting a 60# bowtech with a long draw length and getting over 300 fps. buddy just bought a new no-cam bow from Mathews and he is getting in the mid 290's with it set at 65#. I am a believer that bows shoot better when they are maxed out though, but you don't have to shoot a 70 or 80# bow anymore to get speed and kinetic energy. THAT BEING SAID....... if you have a short draw length, like me, to get speed your gonna have to pull some weight. I shoot my bow at 72#'s and its not a struggle or a burden at all, but I'm young and in shape. I went and shot the fastest bow that bowtech has out (RPM 360) and with a hunting weight arrow, could only get 298 fps with it due to my draw. So if I want a flat, open country bow capable of making 60-80 yard shots, I'm gonna have to pull heavy. just like rifles, what makes a good treestand or popup bow may not make a good open country bow and vice versa Not being a smart arse, what is your draw length? I shoot the 360 maxed at 62 pounds and 29" draw and am easily over 300 fps. 26.5"
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
[Re: kmon11]
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09/29/15 05:21 PM
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bjankowski
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That's the problem with archery; not everyone that owns a bow is an expert, although a lot of them think so. One of the more accurate statements I have read lately. That comes from experience brother, trust me all the years I've spend in archery I just about seen everything. I was around when the first compounds came out, you should have heard some of the myths back then. Think you are a little more seasoned in bows than I am, got my first compound in 1980 when I switched from a 45lb recurve to a compound. These days since I have access to a bow press I do my own work on bows, trust myself to keep my bows in tune more than most bow shops. I agree; I won't let anyone touch my bows. In fact I've worked on a lot of bows from members of THF.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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09/29/15 06:18 PM
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That's the problem with archery; not everyone that owns a bow is an expert, although a lot of them think so. FACT just ask me!
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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09/29/15 09:04 PM
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That's the problem with archery; not everyone that owns a bow is an expert, although a lot of them think so. FACT just ask me! Actually Quick Draw you know a whole lot more than you give yourself credit for. You've come a long, long way since I first introduced you to this addiction. You was a good student.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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09/29/15 09:23 PM
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I had Darton Viper that drew 83lbs and would shoot through a cedar fence post. But I draw 60lbs now and the animals are just as dead.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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09/30/15 02:36 AM
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I had Darton Viper that drew 83lbs and would shoot through a cedar fence post. But I draw 60lbs now and the animals are just as dead. Hence the screen name!!
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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Nothing gets past you hehe. Especially if it has fur right?
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/01/15 12:14 PM
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I'm no expert but I have killed a critter or 3 with archery tackle. for the last few years I have mainly hunted with a 55# recurve that shoots a blazing 173 FPS! That being said I also have a Creed XS that can sling an arrow at 64#. speed is not the killer in the archery equation accuracy and energy are the most important.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/01/15 02:08 PM
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70 lbs for me... But I agree with others lower works too.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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70 lbs is not needed and if you move down in draw weight your arrow weight can move down too. SOO, the bow will not lose much speed. It will however lose kinetic energy. That being said i still shoot a 70 pound PSE. Is it needed. i doubt it but i can drawing 100 times before skydrawing it. I will admit when i first got it i could only pull it back 10 times before i got tired. that soon passed.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/01/15 10:13 PM
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I'm no expert but I have killed a critter or 3 with archery tackle. for the last few years I have mainly hunted with a 55# recurve that shoots a blazing 173 FPS! That being said I also have a Creed XS that can sling an arrow at 64#. speed is not the killer in the archery equation accuracy and energy are the most important. For the win. Speed does NOT directly translate to penetration as some think.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/01/15 11:59 PM
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I'm no expert but I have killed a critter or 3 with archery tackle. for the last few years I have mainly hunted with a 55# recurve that shoots a blazing 173 FPS! That being said I also have a Creed XS that can sling an arrow at 64#. speed is not the killer in the archery equation accuracy and energy are the most important. For the win. Speed does NOT directly translate to penetration as some think. This has been posted before but does illustrate the point of high speed is not required for penetration, other factors come in though.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/02/15 04:43 PM
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but a heavy arrow at a fast speed is better than a heavy arrow at slow speed
if all you can pull comfortably is 50#....go forth and hunt.
there are folks out there who have no issues whatsoever pulling 70# or higher poundage. Their 70# is your 50#.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/02/15 07:02 PM
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With a modern bow, just about anything above 50# with a good arrow should be enough at the ranges most should be shooting.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/02/15 07:16 PM
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I was in no way trying to discourage anyone to pull 70# but the question was asked was 70# necessary. The simple answer to that question is no it isn't. But if you can pull 70# and have the right equipment you can certainly do things that someone at 45 or 50# may not be capable of in some situations. But in normal hunting conditions at the average 10-25 yard shot it's not going to have much bearing on your success IMO. Good luck to all this weekend, I'll be off come Wednesday and be in the tree shortly after looking for a doe for the freezer.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/02/15 07:29 PM
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With a modern bow, just about anything above 50# with a good arrow should be enough at the ranges most should be shooting. agreed. 60# is the new 70# for most people. I will continue to shoot the heaviest bow I can because of my short draw length, but I know guys that kill deer every year no issues with bows in the 50-55# range
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/05/15 04:43 PM
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The speed of sound is 1,126 fps. You archers would do well to worry more about shot placement and a properly matched arrow to your draw weight to deliver the most energy possible. And keeping your bow as quiet as possible.
A quiet bow, set at 55# with accurate shot placement will kill a helluva lot more deer than a noisy one at 70# with a less than ideal hit.
Kinda like the guy who always kills deer with a .270 versus his lease mate with a big magnum he can't shoot as well.
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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shoot what you can comfortably... if your lookin at the sky or cant draw back sitting down your pullin to much... im at 63lbs on mine.. no reason not to shoot a heavy draw if you can with no issues
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Re: Is 70 lbs draw necessary???
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10/06/15 03:59 AM
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Whatever weight you can comfortably pull is great. Large game, elk, bison, etc 70lbs with good kinetic energy is always helpful. Shot placement, of course everyone understands - but one of the most overlooked elements is how quietly your bow shoots. As all arrows travel ridiculously slower than the speed of sound, all the critters hear the shot made before the arrow hits. How loud that sound is will determine how quickly the critter reacts. I'd rather shoot a quiet 58lb 220 fps than a loud 70lb. at 320fps Just my .02
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