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#5943172 - 09/23/15 05:05 PM In My Opinion
J W M Offline
Light Foot

Registered: 01/02/11
Posts: 38
Loc: Atascosa County, TX
In my opinion, and I know I'm probably greatly outnumbered, high fences are destroying deer hunting in Texas. Every time I do a search online, trying to gather information regarding Whitetail deer hunting, almost everything I find is behind a high fence. I absolutely understand the need for management, however, it seems that the cost to fence and maintain such properties requires going beyond management. No one has the patience to properly manage hunting property, instead it's all about the money. The cost required to maintain and fence these properties "jacks up" the cost for a hunt. And when a hunter pays these exorbitant prices, he/she feels obligated to harvest a trophy deer. Therefore, for his/her money he/she expects a "trophy". To provide that trophy, ranchers pay more and more money for genetically enhanced animals. To recoup those costs, they therefore charge even more money for their hunts. It creates a snowball effect that seem to have no end.
What happened to the days when we actually went "hunting"? Remember when it was okay to not take a shot? Remember when it was okay to look at a buck, and pass it up, allowing it to grow up? I do.
And hunting shows are sickening. I see so many hunting shows where so many immature bucks are shot, so many bad shots are taken; that it makes me embarrassed to be a hunter, sometimes. I watched a TV show briefly this afternoon, where the hunter (bow hunting) shot a buck through the upper back, and called it a miss. With my TV, I am able to rewind and slow play. There was no question, he hit the deer. If he ever once looked for blood, the show never shows that. Instead, he stayed in the tree stand, and shot the next doe that came along. In my opinion more than half of the bucks taken on TV shows, are immature, and should be left alone. On the other hand, how can you have a TV hunting show and not shoot something.


#5943176 - 09/23/15 05:07 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
ZK-315 Offline
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Registered: 10/11/13
Posts: 2064
Loc: Temple...Hunt in Freestone Co.

#5943180 - 09/23/15 05:10 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
1riot1ranger Offline

Registered: 09/17/08
Posts: 613
Loc: Occupied Clear Lake City
That explains a lot. I thought they were mad at the deer and fenced them off their property

#5943196 - 09/23/15 05:20 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
Pitchfork Predator Offline
THF Celebrity

Registered: 01/25/13
Posts: 14089
Loc: Murphy, TX Dickens county
Times have changed. Not all for the better.

But it's not all bad. I no longer watch most hunting shows for the reasons you mentioned and some you didn't mention.

There are still great places to hunt that aren't high fenced. They are not easy to find, I'll agree on that, but this forum can be of help with that.

I hunt on 165,000 acres of low fence. We border a ranch that's over 100,000 acres low fenced. You might try looking in the rolling plains and panhandle. There is plenty of God's country left out this way.

Focus on the positives and what you can control. Stressing out over what you can't isn't good for you and doesn't change what your upset about.

I wish you good luck finding what your looking for and good hunting this season. cheers
Marc C. Helfrich
Retirement Planner

#5943197 - 09/23/15 05:20 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
Wilhunt Offline
Extreme Tracker

Registered: 07/26/13
Posts: 3656
Loc: New Braunfels, San Saba county
Lots of opinions on high fences hunting that vary a great deal. Now those hunting shows are something else, most opinions are the same.

#5943266 - 09/23/15 06:00 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
J W M Offline
Light Foot

Registered: 01/02/11
Posts: 38
Loc: Atascosa County, TX
Thanks Pitchfork. Had to get on my rant there for a bit. I know you're right. There are some great places left.

#5943279 - 09/23/15 06:08 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
postoak Offline
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Registered: 08/19/09
Posts: 2942
Loc: The Woodlands, Tx
I agree with the first part of your rant, but not the part about hunting shows. Most of those guys are very much in to shooting mature bucks of at least 4 1/2.

#5943297 - 09/23/15 06:23 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
Tru2lifetaxidermy Offline
Bird Dog

Registered: 01/25/15
Posts: 470
I am on the side of not liking the hf thing because in my opinion it's just killing not hunting (no preperation or hard work involved) which to me is and should be included in a hunt. That being said I just choose not to partake and don't get on the ones that choose to hunt that way. It's just my opinion and nothing more. I'm still trying to get over paying to hunt (lease) I am from the north where there is so much public land you can hunt for a week and not see anyone...and it's free. I however am paying to have a lease now because I just can't go without having a place to get away and play/hunt and fish. When in Rome do as the Romans. To each their own.

#5943371 - 09/23/15 07:11 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
Simple Searcher Offline
THF Trophy Hunter

Registered: 12/30/12
Posts: 5895
Loc: Helotes, Hext
Welcome back JWM. You have hit your average of two post a year already on this thread. But a fair-good rant anyway.
The hunting market has deep pockets. But at some point when prices get out of control, there will be a correction. I just wouldn't expect that happening anytime in the near future. Lease prices even went up during the recession. Less land and more hunters will make the snowball you spoke of even bigger.

"Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark

#5943375 - 09/23/15 07:14 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
safdm44 Offline
Pro Tracker

Registered: 08/03/10
Posts: 1376
Loc: Texas
I think HF came around mainly because of people shooting anything and everything...the money part came later when those HF owners turned their places into a hunting haven and then thought, maybe we can make some money to offset stuff and it grew.... If we could go back and make the restrictions tighter on what we can take, meaning bucks, I wonder how it would be. I truly love low fence due to the "what if" factor of not knowing what may come by. I still have that on our ranch but I know of the 4 bordering fence lines only two seem to manage properly. Do like Pitchfork says, stay on the positive! Good Luck
"take kids hunting!"

#5943414 - 09/23/15 07:43 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
passthru Offline
THF Celebrity

Registered: 12/05/06
Posts: 11232
Loc: Saginaw, Tx
You are always arguing liberal agendas on TBH. Did they boot you off there and you had to come here to satisfy your need to argue?
I work hard, drink a little and hunt when I can.
NRA Life Member

#5943431 - 09/23/15 07:54 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
8pointdrop Offline
Extreme Tracker

Registered: 12/16/11
Posts: 4965
Loc: My favorite place TEXAS

#5943766 - 09/23/15 10:52 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
phantom Online   content
Pro Tracker

Registered: 10/14/08
Posts: 1097
Loc: dfw
There are many reasons for hf. Some are good and some are bad. You are forgetting the first rule in history. Money Makes The World Go Around. There is always good and bad. I have a smaller place and a tool for a neighbor, he now has a 9ft fence on his side. For me it was about protection of game to allow them to get old. A lot of ranchers are looking to add income to their properties that ranching is not providing. HF hunting helped. I think it has reached its pinnacle and with the addition of cwd there will be more problems than answers for a while. As for hunting shows I cant stand them.
Good is the enemy of Great

#5943792 - 09/23/15 11:24 PM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
Tres Offline
THF Trophy Hunter

Registered: 10/12/07
Posts: 8549
Loc: Houston
Won't matter after the zombie apocolypse...

"Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before."

#5943830 - 09/24/15 02:39 AM Re: In My Opinion [Re: J W M]
Creekrunner Offline
THF Celebrity

Registered: 10/19/12
Posts: 10014
Loc: Bexar/Gillespie, hunt Terrell
Hunting is much more enjoyable without a holier-than-thou attitude.

And anytime I hear the phrase "ruining hunting" it's usually made by a relative newcomer to hunting.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28

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