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#5938663 - 09/21/15 08:40 AM Graining the roads
bill oxner Offline
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That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.
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#5938890 - 09/21/15 10:31 AM Re: Graining the roads [Re: bill oxner]
Barny Topwater Offline
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Registered: 11/22/09
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Loc: New Braunfels TX USA
Before I dogged up I was invited on a quail hunt, guys grained under mesquite trees then road around in their trucks when they saw quail under the trees they skillet shot them. I think I'll just let the dogs earn their keep and miss the flying little rockets. I know I'll get dirty looks from the dogs but I'll live with it.


Edited by Barny Topwater (09/21/15 10:33 AM)
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#5939483 - 09/21/15 04:32 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: bill oxner]
NorthTXbirdhunter Offline
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Loc: Rowlett, Texas
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!

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#5939499 - 09/21/15 04:39 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: NorthTXbirdhunter]
bill oxner Offline
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Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!


I generally agree with you, but you will not outlaw it in Texas. I remember some dove hunters getting into trouble for shooting dove off those same roads.
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#5939672 - 09/21/15 06:09 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: NorthTXbirdhunter]
bobcat1 Offline
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Loc: Sanger, Texas
Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!
This and it teaches dogs to run trails and roads. We used to put birds out horseback and you could watch the dogs track right where the horses went and find the birds. Graining roads before or after season I have no problem with. Don't like Skillet shots either.
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#5939800 - 09/21/15 07:38 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: bill oxner]
blanked Offline
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Its cheating and lazy. No other state allows it

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#5939878 - 09/21/15 08:10 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: NorthTXbirdhunter]
Whoa Offline
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Registered: 08/22/05
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Loc: East Texas
Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!



Ditto

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#5940927 - 09/22/15 12:08 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: bill oxner]
ALM TXhunter Offline
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Registered: 10/17/13
Posts: 154
Loc: Sugar Land, TX
Doesn't seem to be much sport involved in that.

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#5941039 - 09/22/15 01:19 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: bill oxner]
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I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or bear hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!


Edited by Baylor_Bears (09/22/15 04:38 PM)
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#5941126 - 09/22/15 02:01 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: Baylor_Bears]
Barny Topwater Offline
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Registered: 11/22/09
Posts: 2439
Loc: New Braunfels TX USA
Originally Posted By: Baylor_Bears
I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or beer hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!

Some guy were complaining about the price of deer leases and I just said if they want deer lease prices to go down all the needed do was outlaw feeders, I was called a Yankee that should go back north. I'm an old fat guy


Edited by Barny Topwater (09/22/15 02:01 PM)
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#5941135 - 09/22/15 02:09 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: Baylor_Bears]
NorthTXbirdhunter Offline
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Loc: Rowlett, Texas
Originally Posted By: Baylor_Bears
I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or beer hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!


Thanks for your point of view. I also have a problem with quail feeders on ranches and leases. They can become a death trap for a covey because hawks and owls and feral predators start stalking at feeding time which is a pretty close pattern every day. In working with the Quail-Tech team, I have learned it is better to pour milo out of a bag in a straight line in the cover away from roads and feeders. It does provide food for the quail in the cover and decreases their chances of being ambushed by all, even the hunters. I don't have one problem with harvesting quail as long as it is done in the old-fashioned gentlemanly, purist way of putting in the time behind a fine brace of dogs and wearing boot leather out. As you mentioned, it creates a lot more satisfaction and memories for me to put the work in to accomplish this mission.

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#5941400 - 09/22/15 04:41 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: Barny Topwater]
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Originally Posted By: Barny Topwater
Originally Posted By: Baylor_Bears
I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or beer hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!

Some guy were complaining about the price of deer leases and I just said if they want deer lease prices to go down all the needed do was outlaw feeders, I was called a Yankee that should go back north. I'm an old fat guy


That is not to say that I look down on people who use these methods. To each his own, hunting over a feeder was how I was introduced to hunting to begin with. I just personally don't get a whole lot out of shooting something that I pump full of feed.
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#5941881 - 09/22/15 09:32 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: NorthTXbirdhunter]
TXPanhandler Offline
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Registered: 09/12/12
Posts: 470
Loc: Texas Panhandle
[/quote]
Thanks for your point of view. I also have a problem with quail feeders on ranches and leases. They can become a death trap for a covey because hawks and owls and feral predators start stalking at feeding time which is a pretty close pattern every day. In working with the Quail-Tech team, I have learned it is better to pour milo out of a bag in a straight line in the cover away from roads and feeders. It does provide food for the quail in the cover and decreases their chances of being ambushed by all, even the hunters. I don't have one problem with harvesting quail as long as it is done in the old-fashioned gentlemanly, purist way of putting in the time behind a fine brace of dogs and wearing boot leather out. As you mentioned, it creates a lot more satisfaction and memories for me to put the work in to accomplish this mission. [/quote]

I don't agree with the no feeders on ranches. I hunt a 140 section ranch in Moore county that we have put about 100 feeders on. Most of the feeders are in the middle of plum thickets (where birds are not ambushed by predators) and it has helped us enjoy the hunting so much more. The coveys are bigger/healthier every year. We take people hunting who don't get around well and are not capable of walking 20 miles in a day and put on awesome hunts for everybody including the dogs.

I can totally understand not putting feeders on a 640 acre lease, but when you hunt big country the feeders make for a much more enjoyable hunt and less time spent in the truck.
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#5941996 - 09/22/15 10:33 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: TXPanhandler]
NorthTXbirdhunter Offline
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Why not scatter or broadcast feed in the brush and cover that give the birds the best chance of survival instead of enticing them into the proverbial gas chamber? I am all about feeding quail, just not from feeders nor in the middle of the road.


Edited by NorthTXbirdhunter (09/22/15 10:39 PM)

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#5948307 - 09/26/15 09:56 PM Re: Graining the roads [Re: Baylor_Bears]
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Registered: 07/27/08
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Originally Posted By: Baylor_Bears
I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or bear hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!


What's the difference between a corn feeder or corn field? There both hunting over bait

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