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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: BradyBuck]
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09/10/15 03:20 AM
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Neither will ever go and neither should
I don't like HFs but that's just a preference. Landowners should be allowed to put whatever kind of fence they want up. It's not my land so it's not my problem. I personally find more satisfaction taking free range deer over a HF deer. That's just me though. More power to those making money off of HF deer and more power to those who like to pay to shoot them.
The Midwest hunters who think a corn feeder is wrong but planting a food plot isn't are ignorant. You are going to tell me it's ok to plant 30 acres of corn to attract deer but I'm not a real hunter because I hunt a corn feeder? I don't get that logic. Yes Sir... How's that Golf Course looking up that way...love that course Looking pretty good but I don't get to golf much. I figure the wife will go ahead a kill me if I add golf to the hunting and fishing. It's all about Battle Choice Sir
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: BradyBuck]
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09/10/15 03:40 AM
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Neither will ever go and neither should
I don't like HFs but that's just a preference. Landowners should be allowed to put whatever kind of fence they want up. It's not my land so it's not my problem. I personally find more satisfaction taking free range deer over a HF deer. That's just me though. More power to those making money off of HF deer and more power to those who like to pay to shoot them.
The Midwest hunters who think a corn feeder is wrong but planting a food plot isn't are ignorant. You are going to tell me it's ok to plant 30 acres of corn to attract deer but I'm not a real hunter because I hunt a corn feeder? I don't get that logic. Well said
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: Texas Tatonkas]
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09/10/15 04:49 AM
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A lot of businesses would be affected greatly with nobody buying corn nobody buying feeders. It would be like a second oil crisis.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 05:04 AM
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Well I got 2 feeders running now and 60 hogs running around on camera and no deer. How about the hogs get exterminated first.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: Texas Tatonkas]
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09/10/15 05:26 AM
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Didnt years ago allow deer hunting with dogs? In-laws used ta run beagles, coon dogs... Have had people bring hog dogs here & hunt... Now its hard ta find place ta run dogs... Our last stray dog we took in, put on dog run, it got loose, found shot up by mail box.. i'm a lowfer how other people spend their money ta hunt, none of my busness... Ya'll know the old saying about opinions, mine stinks ... Had some backstraps & finished off last of pinto beans... Tooth started achen, so lifted lid on LTD, medical reasons, feelen no pain.. Tomorrow i'll plead the 5th, few pints low's...
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 10:15 AM
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Never say never. America and Texas are becoming much more liberal. Most of our politicians are moderate whores with a very few real Conservatives. Look at what has happened in the last 6 years in Washington DC. Who would have ever thought that this stuff could happen?
Land usages have changed and will continue to change. More people are watching spectator sports instead of getting outdoors. Due to the cost, hunting is getting too expensive for the average family guy. Thus, we are not recruiting enough of the kids and teens.
The state of our national parks is a disgrace.
Look at the uproar over killing a lion in a country where kids starve to death on a daily basis.
While the NRA is still a powerful lobby, I'll bet that less than 50% of the posters here are members. I might be wrong about that. And, even fewer land owners. Let the other guy carry the load.
As the Bard once sang, "The times they are achanging". And, I believe that we will sleep through this like we have other things that we are seeing happen every day.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 12:54 PM
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Texas won't outlaw baiting, they will just tax it. Alabama doesn't allow baiting, but is considering a change to allow it. Comes with a $50 permit for each feeder used during hunting season.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 01:09 PM
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I don't expect to see either go in my lifetime.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 01:15 PM
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Texas won't outlaw baiting, they will just tax it. Alabama doesn't allow baiting, but is considering a change to allow it. Comes with a $50 permit for each feeder used during hunting season. interesting.
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: BradyBuck]
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09/10/15 01:36 PM
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Neither will ever go and neither should
I don't like HFs but that's just a preference. Landowners should be allowed to put whatever kind of fence they want up. It's not my land so it's not my problem. I personally find more satisfaction taking free range deer over a HF deer. That's just me though. More power to those making money off of HF deer and more power to those who like to pay to shoot them.
The Midwest hunters who think a corn feeder is wrong but planting a food plot isn't are ignorant. You are going to tell me it's ok to plant 30 acres of corn to attract deer but I'm not a real hunter because I hunt a corn feeder? I don't get that logic. Well put. As civilization slowly takes over large hunting land, it would not surprise me if someday HF is the only kind of hunting. I will not see this in my lifetime or my children, but loss of land is happening, and faster than we think. I used to hunt places here in Bexar County that are now subdivisions and strip centers, and I never dreamed that would happen 20 years ago. There are some parts of the world that have HFed just to keep the starving natives from poaching. And here in Texas we have more of their native species than they do. If Texas HFs come down, the amount of endanger animals will go up. Midwest hunters would have to eat their words if suddenly baiting with feeders (as compared to baiting with plots) was allowed in their state, because every one of them would do it. And the idea of taxing feeders, that just ticks me off.
"Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: Dave Davidson]
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09/10/15 01:58 PM
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Never say never. America and Texas are becoming much more liberal. Most of our politicians are moderate whores with a very few real Conservatives. Look at what has happened in the last 6 years in Washington DC. Who would have ever thought that this stuff could happen?
Land usages have changed and will continue to change. More people are watching spectator sports instead of getting outdoors. Due to the cost, hunting is getting too expensive for the average family guy. Thus, we are not recruiting enough of the kids and teens.
The state of our national parks is a disgrace.
Look at the uproar over killing a lion in a country where kids starve to death on a daily basis.
While the NRA is still a powerful lobby, I'll bet that less than 50% of the posters here are members. I might be wrong about that. And, even fewer land owners. Let the other guy carry the load.
As the Bard once sang, "The times they are achanging". And, I believe that we will sleep through this like we have other things that we are seeing happen every day.
Spot on
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: Dave Davidson]
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09/10/15 02:13 PM
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While the NRA is still a powerful lobby, I'll bet that less than 50% of the posters here are members. I might be wrong about that. And, even fewer land owners. Let the other guy carry the load.
As the Bard once sang, "The times they are achanging". And, I believe that we will sleep through this like we have other things that we are seeing happen every day.
i'm not an NRA member... Didn't need them ta stand up ta credit adviser when they said: leasing was a bad investment ... Edit: like pappy once said: like a scab i'm usdta getting picked on
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: Texas Tatonkas]
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09/10/15 03:27 PM
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I don't think either will go. There is too much big money buying off those in the state government. How do you think they got captive breeding started? TPWD has way too many "Irons in the fire". When that happens nothing gets done right.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 08:39 PM
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Mechanical feeding is too much of an industry, with that money backing it, to end in Texas. Too much money behind the high fences so it won't change.
As a landowner, what I would like to see are rules for hunting near a property line. My place as an example; there is a neighbor that owns 140 acres next to me. He made the decision to clear the native habitat and plant improved grasses. Not a tree or bush on it. He leases it to three "hunters" from Houston and they place their feeders within 15 yards of my fence. One is actually 15' from the fence.
I realize the animals belong to the public but these guys are hunting my place. The rules governing the shooting across a fence are weak and unenforceable.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: Ranch Dog]
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09/10/15 08:48 PM
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Neither will be banned.
There were and are places in Texas that the only food source for the deer are what ever feeders are on private property. 2012 was a prime example. TPW has bigger things to worry about than if a guy has a feeder on his property. No way they would ever find the majority of them anyway. Also in 2012 they made suppressors legal for game animals, and at some point made heli-hunting hogs legal for non-land owners. All I have seen lately is rules getting relaxed instead of more strict.
If your land is not in an HOA or inside city limits no one is going to tell you what fence you can or can't have.
IMHO.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 08:52 PM
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Neither will be banned.
There were and are places in Texas that the only food source for the deer are what ever feeders are on private property. 2012 was a prime example. TPW has bigger things to worry about than if a guy has a feeder on his property. No way they would ever find the majority of them anyway. Also in 2012 they made suppressors legal for game animals, and at some point made heli-hunting hogs legal for non-land owners. All I have seen lately is rules getting relaxed instead of more strict.
If your land is not in an HOA or inside city limits no one is going to tell you what fence you can or can't have.
IMHO.
+1 Didn't the possession limit for dove get bigger as well last year or the year before?
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 09:47 PM
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By all means call me stupid and my opinion isn't a well educated one as I'm still reading and learning hunting rules here compared to England... But why would they ban either? Already you have licensing in place and limit restrictions to manage the taking of all species, so what is the benefit of restricting even more. Same with food plots for duck... No baiting? Why when you can only take 6 a day, what's wrong with feeding them in? It's beneficial in the sense you will likely shoot a limit, but if you did your homework and fieldcraft that's likely too. Feeding anything in to a managed habitat is beneficial to both hunter and game. No one would do if otherwise. Habitat, wildlife management and supplemental feeding done by hunters and ranches is beneficial and far exceeds what they harvest doesn't it? That's why limits are in place, to ensure a sustainable population. All that said, I don't know what I'm talking about, my Game and Estate management degre doesn't translate to anything over here
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 09:58 PM
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What gets me is mentality behind the hate for high fence.
If I shoot a deer over feed on a low fence place, how is it different if I do the same thing under a high fence?
I just got back from wyoming hunting antelope. No fences period in most of the unit
Hunt was pretty dang easy
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/10/15 11:38 PM
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Recently got a gym membership, strange folks! I like to show up the roid zombies with my full motion curls with the 55lb. bells. Not their cheater short stroked light weights. It's holarious.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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Heard some people got caught baiting dove the other day by the GW and the GW took them down to the fire house and the firemen and cops had a cook out.
Recently got a gym membership, strange folks! I like to show up the roid zombies with my full motion curls with the 55lb. bells. Not their cheater short stroked light weights. It's holarious.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/11/15 01:33 AM
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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How bout twenty years from now? Id say there will be twice as many high fences if not more. I bet we all will have to wear blaze orange no matter what. If you can still buy ammo then you will probably have to have a gun card to buy ammo like Illinois' laws already have. Our long hunting season will probably get chopped up like many northern states. They may ban center fire rifles for hunting like Illinois. We will be lucky to even still have the right to bare arms. An over populated country, over commercialized hunting community, and liberals will make hunting seem like a bunch of well I just don't know. Oh ya those hogs will probably be a state game species that you have to buy a tag to hunt. High fences will probably be the new norm and the only way to hunt in the future in a sense that its the only safe way, kinda like more organized, and easier for the government to monitor, and safer. Hey his is just my night mare don't worry too much.
Recently got a gym membership, strange folks! I like to show up the roid zombies with my full motion curls with the 55lb. bells. Not their cheater short stroked light weights. It's holarious.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
[Re: JEmberson]
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09/11/15 02:30 AM
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By all means call me stupid and my opinion isn't a well educated one as I'm still reading and learning hunting rules here compared to England... But why would they ban either? Already you have licensing in place and limit restrictions to manage the taking of all species, so what is the benefit of restricting even more. Same with food plots for duck... No baiting? Why when you can only take 6 a day, what's wrong with feeding them in? It's beneficial in the sense you will likely shoot a limit, but if you did your homework and fieldcraft that's likely too. Feeding anything in to a managed habitat is beneficial to both hunter and game. No one would do if otherwise. Habitat, wildlife management and supplemental feeding done by hunters and ranches is beneficial and far exceeds what they harvest doesn't it? That's why limits are in place, to ensure a sustainable population. All that said, I don't know what I'm talking about, my Game and Estate management degre doesn't translate to anything over here Yes, you know what you're talking about. Logic is simple, and you've got it. Baiting allows a hunter to take a much better/higher percentage shot. High fences allow MUCH better management. The reason either or both would be banned is either a lack of logic, or an anti hunting agenda.
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/11/15 02:32 AM
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How bout twenty years from now? Id say there will be twice as many high fences if not more. I bet we all will have to wear blaze orange no matter what. If you can still buy ammo then you will probably have to have a gun card to buy ammo like Illinois' laws already have. Our long hunting season will probably get chopped up like many northern states. They may ban center fire rifles for hunting like Illinois. We will be lucky to even still have the right to bare arms. An over populated country, over commercialized hunting community, and liberals will make hunting seem like a bunch of well I just don't know. Oh ya those hogs will probably be a state game species that you have to buy a tag to hunt. High fences will probably be the new norm and the only way to hunt in the future in a sense that its the only safe way, kinda like more organized, and easier for the government to monitor, and safer. Hey his is just my night mare don't worry too much. Not to worry... You can always just "run'em down"!
Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: HF or baiting.......which is first to go
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09/11/15 02:36 AM
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