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Re: Game Wardens [Re: silentex] #6057249 11/30/15 02:54 AM
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All this fuss over someone's pay.. It's like when a kid gets mad that he got a red popsicle and the other kid got the blue one... But they both got to pick from the same box

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Originally Posted By: Navasot
All this fuss over someone's pay.. It's like when a kid gets mad that he got a red popsicle and the other kid got the blue one... But they both got to pick from the same box


It is way more than pay - it is about the public understanding and appreciating the job some of these folks do for very little pay. Yes they chose the position knowing what the pay was - so at the minimum society should honor their sacrifice

Let me also add both my kids have college degrees and could have gone into most any field. Son chose LEO and daughter teaching special ed kids. They chose knowing they would never get rich but both had a passion of helping others. I could not be prouder of each of them.

(by the way teachers do not get "3 months off in the summer" any longer)

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all salary and hourly pay is market driven.
Even the military has to adjust pay scales to attract people.
state agencies and local cities have to adjust their base pay to attract qualified applicants. When they find they are not meeting their recruiting goals, then they have to look at what they are offering in way of money and benefits.
There is no draft and nobody makes you go into any certain field of work. A young man I know spend a lot of money on a degree just to be accepted into the police department. They require a degree here. He finished the academy with high marks and is in his first year. I think the salary is high 40s or low 50s to start
now, his student loan has kicked in and he is paying 500 per month on the loan.

so, if he makes 50K , he is paying more than 10 percent of that back to the student loan he took out to get the job.

To me, that doesn't make sense, but he chose to do it


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Originally Posted By: Navasot
All this fuss over someone's pay.. It's like when a kid gets mad that he got a red popsicle and the other kid got the blue one... But they both got to pick from the same box


If you think your under paid then find a better job, if you think someone is over paid then try and get their job. Get an education or get a trade, even better is when your education can be applied to a trade.


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tlk, you should be proud. Then again, it would be a shame if you were any less proud if they worked for Walmart and Burger King.

My mom was a school teacher and my father was a Dallas cop. You could say that they made sacrifices but you could also say that they made darned good employment decisions, getting stable jobs that were largely layoff-proof as compared to private sector jobs. So when the economy went into the dumper, they still had jobs when so many other people were losing them.


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All this fuss over someone's pay.. It's like when a kid gets mad that he got a red popsicle and the other kid got the blue one... But they both got to pick from the same box


It is way more than pay - it is about the public understanding and appreciating the job some of these folks do for very little pay. Yes they chose the position knowing what the pay was - so at the minimum society should honor their sacrifice

Let me also add both my kids have college degrees and could have gone into most any field. Son chose LEO and daughter teaching special ed kids. They chose knowing they would never get rich but both had a passion of helping others. I could not be prouder of each of them.

(by the way teachers do not get "3 months off in the summer" any longer)


Totally agree but the public is blind and its useless to try and change that... your family shouldn't have to prove anything to anyone either its what makes them who they are

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I'm as pro-LEO as anyone, and believe they should get paid well. However, our educators are about I think, at the last ranking I saw, second from the bottom in the country on the pay scale. That is just wrong!


Still overpaid, They get 3 months off for summer and every holiday known to man off also.

If you can't work, then teach........


Yup. They get paid well for time worked.


I'm a teacher and a coach. Let me tell you first that our '3 months off for summer' is two months (June and July). During those two months we are required 35 hours of general professional development, another 15 in our specific content area, another 20 in technology, plus other required training/clinics such as sexual abuse, youth mental health, sucicide, dixlexia, testing, etc.

Then there's the coaching part. We work throughout the summer running camps, working on recruitment, coaching clinics, and other continuing education that is all required. Break that all down and tell me how much of a '3 month summer' is left.

During the week I am in my office at 6am. On a normal (non-game) day, I get home between 7 and 8pm. On game days (I am the head softball coach, JH football and basketball), It's usually around 11-12midnnight. During football season we have film breakdown, tagging, and game planning Saturdays from 8am-5pm. Sundays we start again at noon and work till around 5-6. Monday morning it's back in the office at 6am.

Remember on top of all that we still have to make lesson plans, grade papers, attend meetings, make tests, so on, so forth.

I have broken down my hourly pay and it's about $3 an hour depending on how busy the week was, but I'm glad you feel, as you so eloquently put it, that I am overpaid.

Please excuse me now, as I have used my entire 15 minute lunch break trying to wrap my head around your thought process.

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I'm as pro-LEO as anyone, and believe they should get paid well. However, our educators are about I think, at the last ranking I saw, second from the bottom in the country on the pay scale. That is just wrong!


Still overpaid, They get 3 months off for summer and every holiday known to man off also.

If you can't work, then teach........


Yup. They get paid well for time worked.


I'm a teacher and a coach. Let me tell you first that our '3 months off for summer' is two months (June and July). During those two months we are required 35 hours of general professional development, another 15 in our specific content area, another 20 in technology, plus other required training/clinics such as sexual abuse, youth mental health, sucicide, dixlexia, testing, etc.

Then there's the coaching part. We work throughout the summer running camps, working on recruitment, coaching clinics, and other continuing education that is all required. Break that all down and tell me how much of a '3 month summer' is left.

During the week I am in my office at 6am. On a normal (non-game) day, I get home between 7 and 8pm. On game days (I am the head softball coach, JH football and basketball), It's usually around 11-12midnnight. During football season we have film breakdown, tagging, and game planning Saturdays from 8am-5pm. Sundays we start again at noon and work till around 5-6. Monday morning it's back in the office at 6am.

Remember on top of all that we still have to make lesson plans, grade papers, attend meetings, make tests, so on, so forth.

I have broken down my hourly pay and it's about $3 an hour depending on how busy the week was, but I'm glad you feel, as you so eloquently put it, that I am overpaid.

Please excuse me now, as I have used my entire 15 minute lunch break trying to wrap my head around your thought process.


I feel your pain. I coached and taught high school English back in the last 70's and I remember the exact same schedule. My last year, including coaching stipends, I was going to make $11,900 for the year and was averaging at least 80 hours per week. When I quit doing it and started my own business from scratch, it was like a holiday only working 60 hours a week.

Thanks for doing the job you do for our kids. It is a great profession


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They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. Please name me one single teacher who gets a paid holiday, or who gets paid for the summer. They don't, none of them do. In Texas teachers get paid for 187 days a year and most asked that there pay be spread out over twelve months so that they can manage paying their bills. Tell me a job that you would take where they tell you, you get no vacation pay, no holiday pay, and have to work on you own time taking classes during the summer required by the state to keep your licence. Teaching is a calling and I cannot thank teachers enough for what they do. Knowledge is power and teachers are giving it away free every day.


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Do you want highly qualified people or someone that can just pass the test to be your teachers and your LEO's. I have known several in both professions that have quit teaching or being a law officer to go in to better paying jobs. They are some of the finest people I know, and were doing a good job, but the offer of more money pulled them away to other professions. They all had god job security and benefits but money talks and the taxpayers lost.

The next time you bitch about public education, think about the fact you are their employers. If you want to pay the minimum scale, you won't be getting the top of the graduating college classes. Those people will go elsewhere for a job.


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I am not sure if DPS falls under this, but some police officers fall into the same pay schedule as alot of firefighters. By this, it means that the 40 hour work week does not apply to them and they are not entitled to over time if they work over 40 hours in a week. Instead they don't begin to collect overtime compensation until they work over 53 hours in a work week. Upper their pay scale will help compensate the loss of what others would consider "overtime".


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God bless the nurses. bang


you will need one if you keep bashing your head into the wall like that


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Really glad the troopers got a nice raise. A lot of people these days think cops should be able to disarm badguys and coerce belligerent drunks out of cars without violence. They think that when you put your hands on someone you should be able to just overpower them and bend them to your will without harm. The truth is there is a fine line between doing your job and losing it if you are in law enforcement.
Plus, if you want better cops, you have to pay a competitive salary to lure more quality individuals. Not saying they are not, but better money lures better dudes, just a fact of life. The same actually applies to teaching, and they deal with some craziness too. My wife was a substitute. WAS.
Regards to game wardens- well, the same applies, but the way I understand it there are already a whole helluva lot more qualified applicants than there are jobs available for them. Judging by recent events in the news, there is also quite a bit of a good ol boy culture with some corruption within their ranks. I am sure that is under some sort of investigation. I hope their salary has become more competitive, and that it lures the best and brightest in the field.

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Most LEOs have "extra jobs" to help pay the bills. So on their days off they are working security somewhere. This was the norm and I didn't know any different. Just took the extra jobs the old heads didn't want. Glad to see the pay coming around so maybe a little more time spent at the house and not working.
My wife who is a special Ed teacher/ Behavior Specialist . You would not believe the crap she has to put up with. Not just with the kids but the parents blaming the teachers and school district for all the problems their kids have.

There is no way I could do her job.

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My wife and daughter are both teachers. They are called to do it, because if you aren't, you wouldn't put up with the crap they do. The top 25% of the kids in high school are there to learn. The rest are just wasting time. With the high rate of single parent households, few of these kids have a chance.

The teachers that try to actually teach are constantly interrupted by ill mannered students, so frustration sets in quickly. Our daughter is in her first year of teaching and chose to teach in a lower income school district. She leaves before I do in the morning and gets home after I do in the evening. All the bs that was fed to her about the teaching profession when she was in college is being exposed to her now.

But she will continue because, as she says, the one student that gets it, is worth all the trouble from parents, administration and the challenging students.

You couldn't pay me enough to put up with all the garbage of the public school system, but if any of you think it's a dream, go see what is like to put up with you're little ba$tard all day, everyday.

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