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#5911009 - 09/03/15 09:06 AM Food Plot Question
Shane H. Offline
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I am hunting in North East Texas. Rusk County to be exact. I am about to plant some oats and wheat, but was wondering do I really need to disc the land before doing it? Can I mow it down real close and throw the seeds out before it rains and get the close to the same results?
I don't have a tractor and would have to hire someone to come disc for me and was wondering if it's worth the extra cost. I am planning on either doing a disc or mowing this weekend and getting the soil ready. Then waiting till before a good rain to throw the seeds out. Thoughts please.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Shane

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#5911015 - 09/03/15 09:09 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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It might come up if you seed before you mow, doubt it'll yield as much as discing though.

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#5911031 - 09/03/15 09:19 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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We have hand seeded areas with oats that were not plowed and had good results. If it rained it did great if not nothing.

We have very loose sandy soil though, I would expect harder soils with more clay to not do as well.
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#5911046 - 09/03/15 09:23 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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If you have to do it that way, throw seed before you mow so the ground will hold more moisture.

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#5911061 - 09/03/15 09:30 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
Shane H. Offline
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The soil is very sandy. 2-3 foot deep before you hit clay. I could rent a tiller for pretty cheap. Just trying to figure out the best way to do it.


Edited by Shane H. (09/03/15 09:32 AM)

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#5911082 - 09/03/15 09:42 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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If you could figure out a way to drag it after you seed it, that will help a little. An old gate with some weight on it works pretty good.
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#5911162 - 09/03/15 10:26 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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We planted all kinds of peas and we disked it first and it came up great.
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#5911321 - 09/03/15 11:44 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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IMO, you will be wasting your time and money just throwing it out on cut grass. You can mow now, but it would be better to disc to kill the grasses and weeds, then disc again the morning you plant (mid-late September is normal around here), this is the time you put out fertilizer just before you disc the 2nd time. Throw your seed out and then lightly drag to cover the seedand try to firm the seed bed.

Doing it this way will almost guarantee you a great plot you can count on if it rains.

You may find a LO next door that will disc for very little, or you can rent a small 35hp or so tractor and do it. Even those over priced deer plot seed bags say to "rake" the soil because seeds need as much soil contact as they can get to germinate.

How big of an area are you planning on?


Edited by Western (09/03/15 11:45 AM)
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#5911688 - 09/03/15 02:50 PM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
Shane H. Offline
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Not a huge area. 50 yards by 20 yards I would say. Thank you for the advise.

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#5911733 - 09/03/15 03:04 PM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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That isn't very big, you may be able to use a nail type drag to clean it off and scratch up enough dirt. A piece of pipe with rebar pieces welded on may get you by this year. Go the tractor route and you will never do it the hard way again if you could avoid it though.

If you have a lot of deer, you will want to expand your food plot next year, I can almost guarantee you.

Here is a good primer on planting a food plot go to http://www.mbsseed.com/ Click "wildlife" on the left side of page, then click and read the "Wildlife food plot guide"
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#5911758 - 09/03/15 03:12 PM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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there are also no-till food plot seed blends available ... just another option.

as Western mentioned, making a drag to rough up the ground enough, toss out seeds and then drag a piece of chainlink or an old gate to partially cover the seeds.

Years ago, we had a place that had a small plot that did not have any access by tractor, we would watch the weather for a wet front coming in, take our seeds (mostly oats) out 4 days to a week prior to front hitting, fill up a 5 gallon bucket with seeds, then fill up with water out of the creek, let soak for a few hours so the water could absorb into the seeds a bit, toss wet seeds out on top of the ground in the dust ... a few days/a week later the rain would come thru (and we would pray it wasn't heavy enough to wash all the seeds down into the creek), worked like a charm. The soaking would help them start the germination process and then the rains were watering them as they were starting to grow.
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#5912824 - 09/04/15 08:23 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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I would spray all the grass with roundup first. Wait a few weeks, then plant your seeds. It's still too hot for planting.

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#5912898 - 09/04/15 09:17 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
Shane H. Offline
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Would it be better to use roundup and kill the grass and weeds or to just use a tiller?

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#5912971 - 09/04/15 10:01 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Shane H.]
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I wouldn't add Roundup to any ground I planned to grow anything. It will stunt the growth of whatever you plant. I was told this by a guy who should know.
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#5912993 - 09/04/15 10:21 AM Re: Food Plot Question [Re: Cast]
BayouGuy Offline
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Originally Posted By: Cast
I wouldn't add Roundup to any ground I planned to grow anything. It will stunt the growth of whatever you plant. I was told this by a guy who should know.


Maybe he should know - but he doesn't seem to. Roundup (Glyphosate) has absolutely no long term residual effect on the soil or on future planting. It will act only when sprayed on actively growing plants and degrades in the soil.

I spray my plots with Glyphosate. A week or two later, I broadcast seed and fertilizer into the standing dead/dying vegetation and then mow it to lay duff over the seed. (As and alternative, you can drag something like a log or tire over the dead vegetation to lay it down against the ground.) The duff helps hold moisture and hides the seed from birds, and the seed will sprout right through it.
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