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#5903267 - 08/29/15 09:13 PM Bore cleaning.....again!
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I know this has been discussed, and probably beaten to death, but I searched and could not find any of the old posts about bore cleaning on rifle barrels.

I am up in the air about cleaning the barrels of my rifles. I have always cleaned my barrel with hopes #9 after a day at the range. Or about once before hunting season, then run an oil patch through and clean patches until no oil or dirt comes out on the patch.

What about the foaming bore cleaners, that remove copper and other junk? What say you? What do you do for barrel maintenance on your rifles?
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#5903294 - 08/29/15 09:29 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: Chunky Dunk]
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Did you run a search that included one year?

I NEVER remove copper. And I remove cabon when the barrel tells me it needs it. Some are 100 rounds, some are 400 rounds. All need refouling after cleaning to shoot to their potential.

Cleaning is over rated.
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#5903297 - 08/29/15 09:30 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: Chunky Dunk]
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Wipe Out / Patch Out with Accelerater. There can be only one.
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#5903337 - 08/29/15 09:55 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: Chunky Dunk]
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Everybody is entitled to an opinion. Mine is that it depends on the barrel and the intensity of the round (220 versus 223 for instance). The 220 gets carboned up fast and it will take on copper. It's an old Douglas barrel. Still shoots great, but isn't as smooth as it once was. Every now and then I'll see that taking carbon out isn't quite enough, so I'll use Boretech Eliminator and remove some or all of the copper. Then I'll foul it up a bit and we're back to being good. The 260 with the Brux barrel flat doesn't seem to pick up any copper. Same with the new Benchmark barrel on the 223. I can shoot the heck out of it and never see signs of copper. It does need to be cleaned a bit more (carbon) than the 260 barrel does to retain max accuracy. I don't know why. It just does. I think that a fellow needs to shoot a specific rifle a lot to learn what the barrel likes - clean it a lot or don't clean it much. It varies with the rifle, and I think it has a lot to do with what you expect from the rifle in terms of accuracy. So...learn your rifle and clean as required.

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#5903365 - 08/29/15 10:11 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: 603Country]
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Originally Posted By: 603Country
It varies with the rifle, and I think it has a lot to do with what you expect from the rifle in terms of accuracy. So...learn your rifle and clean as required.



Good sense. All barrels are not equal and anyone who insists that a mass-produced button rifled barrel should be treated the same as a custom cut-rifled barrel is just vomiting.
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#5904117 - 08/30/15 03:29 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: 603Country]
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Originally Posted By: 603Country
Everybody is entitled to an opinion. Mine is that it depends on the barrel and the intensity of the round (220 versus 223 for instance). The 220 gets carboned up fast and it will take on copper. It's an old Douglas barrel. Still shoots great, but isn't as smooth as it once was. Every now and then I'll see that taking carbon out isn't quite enough, so I'll use Boretech Eliminator and remove some or all of the copper. Then I'll foul it up a bit and we're back to being good. The 260 with the Brux barrel flat doesn't seem to pick up any copper. Same with the new Benchmark barrel on the 223. I can shoot the heck out of it and never see signs of copper. It does need to be cleaned a bit more (carbon) than the 260 barrel does to retain max accuracy. I don't know why. It just does. I think that a fellow needs to shoot a specific rifle a lot to learn what the barrel likes - clean it a lot or don't clean it much. It varies with the rifle, and I think it has a lot to do with what you expect from the rifle in terms of accuracy. So...learn your rifle and clean as required.


Yep, they are all different , whatever your rifle tells you when you clean and shoot is the only real answer. How you clean it when it needs it, Well, there are 1001 ways and all are good.

I'm a believer in the Wipe Out school but Bore Tech, Montana extreme and the rest are all good, just follow their individual cleaning methods or you could mess up a good barrel.
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#5904459 - 08/30/15 06:49 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: Chunky Dunk]
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I guess I over clean. I was never taught how to care for firearms so I clean pretty much everytime I shoot. Nothing crazy. Bore snake and oil. The exception is after I zero for deer season. I don't clean till the season is over.
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#5904496 - 08/30/15 07:11 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: Chunky Dunk]
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#5904497 - 08/30/15 07:11 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: Chunky Dunk]
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Every year I hear stories of hunters missing a deer, and they have no idea why they missed. After talking to them, they had their rifle cleaned spotless and all slicked up with oil on the inside of the barrel after shooting and zeroing their scope. Oil is a great barrel protector, but not on the inside when you are ready for making an accurate and precise shot.

So, how do you clean a rifle and keep the barrel fouled in and zero'd for deer season? Most rifles will shoot around 50 to 300 rounds (or more) before accuracy begins to fall off. Most hunters clean their rifles way before this time. I clean my rifles before I shoot them at the gun range. I run a patch on a jag (pointed metal tip) soaked in Butch's bore shine for about 2-4 patches. I'll run these through the barrel back and forth until I see I have the barrel almost clean. I stop there, and put 2-3 dry patches to get any remaining liquid out. (If you clean the barrel 100% clean, it will usually take 2-7 rounds to get the barreled "fouled" back in, and shooting accurately.) Now, the rifle is ready to shoot and get the barrel fouled in. During cleaning, the solvent's remove copper and powder fouling. "Fouled in" means the barrel has some copper build up from the bullets in the rifling, which will help make a consistent and repeatable shot. Since I didn't clean the barrel to bare metal, I usually only need 1-2 rounds to confirm my zero is dead on and shooting consistent. Once you confirm your zero, don't touch the inside of the barrel again! This is where most hunters make their mistakes. They will clean it again and oil it up inside and out. Outside oil is fine. It will help protect the outside of the rifle. But oil inside the barrel will cause the rounds to go anywhere they want to go, often not where you wanted. A little oil on the bolt and race way is also fine. I put some oil on a patch, and put the patch on the areas I want to oil. If you put drops of oil directly on the parts, it will seep into other areas you may not want oil.

What if the barrel gets wet? Run a dry patch though the barrel and call it good. If you have to clean it, do a light cleaning, like 1 wet patch followed up by a couple dry patch's, but NO oil on the inside.

If you drop it in the mud, push out any debris with a dry patch, then give it a light cleaning, but no oil. Some hunters carry a bore snake. This is good for removing any debris, but does not do much for actually "cleaning" the inside of the rifle.

If I am storing my rifles for a long period, I will put a coat of oil inside the barrel. But before I shoot it, I will clean it, and get any oil out of the inside of the barrel. This is why I clean my rifles at the range before I shoot them.

I hope this helps some of the hunters who over clean their rifles, thinking that's what's needed.
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#5904763 - 08/30/15 09:00 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: Chunky Dunk]
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I see a disconnect here. The guys with the custom high dollar barrels don't clean the bore much. I get that. I have a few, and they just don't foul much at all. The guys with the rough and worn old factory barrels think they need to clean more often. And yes, they probably do. The now-deceased original bull barrel on my beloved 220 Swift needed cleaning every 25 or so rounds to get back to terrific accuracy. The new barrel, which is no longer really new, needs less frequent cleaning, but it still needs more cleaning than some of the larger bore, less intense caliber rifles I have.

I just do not agree with someone that says they can shoot 400 rounds through their barrel without cleaning and add that 'you can too'. Maybe I could with the 260 and the Brux barrel. No way with the 220 Swift. Probably not with the Sako 270. And the jury is still out with the new 223 barrel.

Had a guy over here last year. He wanted to shoot his 22-250. It wouldn't group worth a darn. He was pretty upset about it, and said how good it used to shoot. I asked how often he had cleaned it, and he said that he didn't have any cleaning gear. Well, That says a lot, so I said to leave it with me, and with some ammo, and I'll clean the bore a bit. I cleaned it a bit more than a 'bit'. More of a mess I hadn't seen before. I cleaned it and shot it, and called to tell him it was a good shooter.

Bottom line is that what's good for your rifle isn't necessarily good for mine. And maybe the unspoken other message should be to get yourself a nice smoothly lapped custom barrel. I did. They are great. Life is too short to live with only factory barrels. :-)

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#5905134 - 08/31/15 06:54 AM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: Chunky Dunk]
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Good post Chad.
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#5905195 - 08/31/15 07:58 AM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: 603Country]
ChadTRG42 Offline
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Originally Posted By: 603Country
I see a disconnect here. The guys with the custom high dollar barrels don't clean the bore much. I get that. I have a few, and they just don't foul much at all. The guys with the rough and worn old factory barrels think they need to clean more often. And yes, they probably do. The now-deceased original bull barrel on my beloved 220 Swift needed cleaning every 25 or so rounds to get back to terrific accuracy. The new barrel, which is no longer really new, needs less frequent cleaning, but it still needs more cleaning than some of the larger bore, less intense caliber rifles I have.

I just do not agree with someone that says they can shoot 400 rounds through their barrel without cleaning and add that 'you can too'. Maybe I could with the 260 and the Brux barrel. No way with the 220 Swift. Probably not with the Sako 270. And the jury is still out with the new 223 barrel.

Had a guy over here last year. He wanted to shoot his 22-250. It wouldn't group worth a darn. He was pretty upset about it, and said how good it used to shoot. I asked how often he had cleaned it, and he said that he didn't have any cleaning gear. Well, That says a lot, so I said to leave it with me, and with some ammo, and I'll clean the bore a bit. I cleaned it a bit more than a 'bit'. More of a mess I hadn't seen before. I cleaned it and shot it, and called to tell him it was a good shooter.

Bottom line is that what's good for your rifle isn't necessarily good for mine. And maybe the unspoken other message should be to get yourself a nice smoothly lapped custom barrel. I did. They are great. Life is too short to live with only factory barrels. :-)


You are 100% correct. The main thing is the KNOW your rifle. My post is in general for most rifles. A lot of the time the really fast calibers will need more frequent cleaning. Letr the rifle tell you when you need to clean.
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#5905851 - 08/31/15 02:04 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Every year I hear stories of hunters missing a deer, and they have no idea why they missed. After talking to them, they had their rifle cleaned spotless and all slicked up with oil on the inside of the barrel after shooting and zeroing their scope. Oil is a great barrel protector, but not on the inside when you are ready for making an accurate and precise shot.

. . . . Once you confirm your zero, don't touch the inside of the barrel again! This is where most hunters make their mistakes. They will clean it again and oil it up inside and out. Outside oil is fine. It will help protect the outside of the rifle. But oil inside the barrel will cause the rounds to go anywhere they want to go. . .

thanks for posting this ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ it should be in big day-glo orange letters ^ ^ ^ ^

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#5906845 - 08/31/15 10:18 PM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: Chunky Dunk]
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Thanks for all the input guys.
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#5907059 - 09/01/15 06:57 AM Re: Bore cleaning.....again! [Re: bigbob_ftw]
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Originally Posted By: bigbob_ftw
I guess I over clean. I was never taught how to care for firearms so I clean pretty much everytime I shoot. Nothing crazy. Bore snake and oil. The exception is after I zero for deer season. I don't clean till the season is over.
I used to do the same thing until I started reading some posts on here. I'm getting really, really good accuracy out of my Savage 308 now after running it dirty all the time. It's very counterintuitive, but it does work.

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