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#5899737 - 08/27/15 07:19 PM Field Aging
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Registered: 11/21/14
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Loc: Arlington Tx
I have been reading up on aging deer on the hoof and gives me some hints however some deer I just have no idea. Body size and antler mass in my area is somewhat consistent but not 100% accurate. My purpose is to cull the bucks that have no potential and let the other ones age. This deer on the left I have no idea how old he is, maybe 4 1/2 ? I do have history with the deer on the right and is minimum 4 1/2. Help me out with with your thoughts and then I can post a couple more deer for aging.



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#5899747 - 08/27/15 07:24 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Neck meets the body high, big ears, skinny legs, no dip in the back, and a long snout, 2 year old with great potential. up
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#5899756 - 08/27/15 07:31 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Judging deer can be tough. The buck on the left is either 4 or 5 IMO, more 5 yr old. He is has a thicker body, dished forehead, calloused knees, width in his brisket, and staining on his hocks(not common on younger deer in the summer, but is on mature bucks). Also he seems to have quite a bit more white hair on the inside of his ears vs the black hair. Not every deer fits the age "mold" either. Deer really show their age much better in Oct-Nov depending on where you hunt.
For the purpose of culling, how many acres do you have to hold deer on(LF vs. HF)? How many tags/hunters do you have to cull the herd with? IME culling does is far more important than culling bucks at first.
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#5899760 - 08/27/15 07:32 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: rickym]
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Registered: 04/19/07
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Originally Posted By: rickym
Neck meets the body high, big ears, skinny legs, no dip in the back, and a long snout, 2 year old with great potential. up


He is actually older.

Velvet aging is and can be a humbling experience for the best of us at aging.

So humbling its best to just collect pics and wait until they go hard horned. They are both mature... How mature time will tell.

Summer deer just don't express the same way has hard horned October bucks. Testosterone levels are very low.


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#5899806 - 08/27/15 07:51 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Registered: 02/22/14
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The deer on the left looks younger than the deer on the right to me. The deer on the right is probably not going to get any better than he is this season, and he may have been better in previous years. He is a fully mature deer IMO, and one that should be taken. He appears older than the other buck and his rack is noticeably smaller than the deer on the left. The deer on the left looks like a 4.5 year old to me, but he may be a year older than that. In another 6 weeks or so it'll be a lot easier to age him, and if he looks to be a 4.5 year old then I would definitely give him another year. I might even give him another year if he is 5.5, regardless he looks like he still has potential for growth in the future, when the deer travelling with him does not. The deer on the left is an 8 pointer but I like the structure of his rack with decent spread and good G-3s, and I like the curvature of his beams. He will probably never be anything spectacular, but he could turn out to be a solid deer in another year or even two. Of course, I'm no expert so feel free to take all that with a grain of salt.
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#5899886 - 08/27/15 08:27 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: stxranchman]
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Judging deer can be tough. The buck on the left is either 4 or 5 IMO, more 5 yr old. He is has a thicker body, dished forehead, calloused knees, width in his brisket, and staining on his hocks(not common on younger deer in the summer, but is on mature bucks). Also he seems to have quite a bit more white hair on the inside of his ears vs the black hair. Not every deer fits the age "mold" either. Deer really show their age much better in Oct-Nov depending on where you hunt.
For the purpose of culling, how many acres do you have to hold deer on(LF vs. HF)? How many tags/hunters do you have to cull the herd with? IME culling does is far more important than culling bucks at first.



I agree with Ranch, mature deer on left and the right.

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#5899887 - 08/27/15 08:27 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: rickym
Neck meets the body high, big ears, skinny legs, no dip in the back, and a long snout, 2 year old with great potential. up


He is actually older.

Velvet aging is and can be a humbling experience for the best of us at aging.

So humbling its best to just collect pics and wait until they go hard horned. They are both mature... How mature time will tell.

Summer deer just don't express the same way has hard horned October bucks. Testosterone levels are very low.



Dang. Looks younger to me, though I didn't notice how big/dark the ankles were
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#5899917 - 08/27/15 08:36 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Registered: 11/01/12
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I'd say both are 4.5 or better. If true, I'd take them both out if you have better options for breeding.
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#5899966 - 08/27/15 08:55 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Registered: 11/19/08
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I have him at 3 or 4, could flip a coin, but thinking 4. Chances are real good if he was older him and the known 4yo under the feeder would flip spots in that picture.

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#5899999 - 08/27/15 09:07 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Registered: 12/29/14
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Rifleman that's a good point. I know the bucks at my place that have age on them don't share protein and are more less dead center under the corn feeder.
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#5900263 - 08/28/15 02:53 AM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Yeah, but the oldest deer isn't necessarily always the most dominant.
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#5900277 - 08/28/15 04:26 AM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Registered: 12/29/14
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Loc: Conroe, TX
This is true I think with bucks that are really really aged. They will get pushed around from my experience.

As in this old buck below. He is most always circling the inside, but near the edges. The "stronger" animals keep him there it seems.

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#5900445 - 08/28/15 08:28 AM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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I think there is a year between them and the one on the left is older and mature.
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#5900700 - 08/28/15 11:01 AM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Both deer look 5 years old to me.

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#5901209 - 08/28/15 03:29 PM Re: Field Aging [Re: allterrain]
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Registered: 11/21/14
Posts: 314
Loc: Arlington Tx
Good discussion. I would just say that it is very hard to judge the left deer and I cant find a pic from last year to go by. Will post pics as his velvet comes off see how he looks as the season approaches.
Here are a couple more pics of some very healthy bucks. Do the large hind quarters indicate 4.5 year old rather than 3.5?



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