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#5891546 - 08/23/15 09:34 AM AR-15 let me down!!
Nivlac Offline
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Registered: 03/11/13
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Yesterday I went into the woods to set up my motion camera. Typically when I'm in the woods, but not hunting, I carry my AR15 rifle (5.56/.223) because its easy to carry and holds 30 rounds. So as I'm kneeling down configuring my camera, in relatively open area next to a swampy creek bed, I hear movement in the woods and look up to see a large herd of wild hogs making their way towards me! I quietly switched off the safety on my rifle and took position behind the tree. Looking back I should have waited for more of the herd to come into the open but I was afraid that at any moment they would realize that I was there and run; so when the first of the bigger ones presented itself for a nice shot I took it.

The hog I shot was only 40-50 FEET away and I saw it drop; so I took aim off of him and looked for a secondary target. As I moved my attention away from the hog I shot it got up and made a mad dash for cover along with the rest of the herd. To my dismay I could not find any blood trail to follow. So thinking that I had managed to miss my mark I got in my truck and left very disappointed. From there I went to my dads house and set up a target to see if my rifle is shooting true. Sure enough my rifle is shooting right on (iron sights). Not trying to brag but I do shoot a lot and am quite proficient will all of my weapons.

So that bring me to the conclusion that it is very unlikely that I missed, so the .223 must not have done its job. My gun is loaded with Hornady 55grain V-Max...so at only 40 or 50 feet away it must have zipped right through without expanding (why no blood?) or it penetrated but did not exit. I've killed one hog before with the AR-15 but it took three shots with FMJ ammo. Recently I use the VMax stuff because I never know what I'll encounter and I want to inflict as much damage as possible. Yesterday I ALMOST took out the Mosin Nagant instead...if only.

So what yall say. Did my bullet: Miss? Clean pass? Fail to exit?

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#5891552 - 08/23/15 09:37 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
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If he was running at you and the bullet hit his skull I could see the vmax fragmenting and not reallly do damage

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#5891556 - 08/23/15 09:41 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
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Vmax is a varmint bullet made to expand rapidly in a small thin skinned animal not a hog. 223 will work if you are shooting behind the ear to sever the spinal cord, even then you should look at using a heavier bullet made for hunting larger animals than varmints. There are several 62 grains offerings and heavier that are not varmint or FMJ rounds.

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#5891561 - 08/23/15 09:43 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
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Sounds like bullet failure if it knocked him down and not a miss. Personally I'd be hunting with at least a quality cup and core like a Fusion or Corelokt if hogs were on the menu. Lack of blood trail is surprising as I would have expected a failure from a Vmax to be a surface detonation not a pass thru
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#5891617 - 08/23/15 10:27 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
ChasCZ Offline
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Registered: 06/26/15
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Loc: Michigan/Texas in Winter
Your Ar did NOT let you down. Your choice of bullet did.

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#5891621 - 08/23/15 10:32 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
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The AR did it's job just fine....you were in the right place with the wrong ammo.
VMax will take down pigs with a well placed head or neck shot but anywhere else and they usually walk.
You simply did not have the luxury of time to set up your shot but hell, they are pigs, I woulda been right in there with you!
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#5891631 - 08/23/15 10:46 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
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Registered: 03/16/12
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Use .223 55gr fmj down at WMA that hog hunt... Since open ta public, & usualy in thick terrian... Keep my shots ta short distance, even in open terrian... .223 is small calabor, & entry wound will be very small, leaving very little blood trail, blood fills inside body cavity.. My shots are 98% moving targets so aim for heat & lung, bigger target, room for errer... Very little blood... Am sure You took time ta look area over, & at 40-50ft tid sure ya hit your mark... Wasnt their.. Dropped hog the other day with .55gr hp at 25yrds off hand, my shoulders are kaput, lucky if could draw 30# bow, usedta draw 70# so was suprised whin hog went down, it was eating with head down so took nevk spin shot... Sounds like one of them zombi hogs ... Did same with 410 smooth bore, hog spun around & bee-lline straight at my feet, orange was covered by fallen tree.. Had to side step... Looked for blood, nothing, surched for 45-to hour... Got ta house, took old milk jug, hit it.. Was using slug, with smooth barrell.. Slug is size of me .45 round ball.. So thar should have been blood... i blame me... Bad shot... rofl Think thats reason they started coming out with zombi rounds ... flag
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#5891668 - 08/23/15 11:07 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
Nivlac Offline
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I don't normally "hunt" with the AR...but I do have some Fusion 62gr ammo in the box that I should have used. Is it possible that the vmax bullet hit a bone and failed to exit? At such a short range I would expect it to be devastating. Next time I'll just take the 12 gauge; but that was probably a once in a lifetime encounter. Those woods are so thick its hard to move around without making noise.

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#5891671 - 08/23/15 11:09 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
Nivlac Offline
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Registered: 03/11/13
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It was a perfect broadside shot by the way. I should have just went for a head shot.

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#5891700 - 08/23/15 11:33 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
Aggieman775 Offline
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It might have killed it they don't always bleed. I shot one with a tikka .308 behind the shoulder and it ran 20 yards and dropped and not one drop of blood. Another I shot one about 100 pounds with my AR 10 and it ran 30 yards and dropped again no blood.
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#5891702 - 08/23/15 11:33 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
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One thing is though a bolt action is more accurate than a semi auto
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#5891705 - 08/23/15 11:35 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
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55 V-max is a varmint bullet and not meant for a big, tough hog. 223 is not the ideal hog gun anyway, and couple that with a varmint bullet meant to fragment and limit penetration, and you have a very ineffective hog rifle. Take something bigger next time. 7 days a week and twice on Sunday, I'd rather have a rifle with 4 or 5 rounds that's powerful enough to take a hog than the 30 rounds of 223 you are carrying. How many rounds did you shoot anyway? All 30 rounds?
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#5891706 - 08/23/15 11:35 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Aggieman775]
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Originally Posted By: Aggieman775
One thing is though a bolt action is more accurate than a semi auto


That's not as true as it once was.
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#5891720 - 08/23/15 11:45 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
colt.45 Offline
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scratch hmm, diamitur of .223 vs 12gauge... wich will give better blood trail? Think what hog might have done, is what is called deathrun experts correct me if wrong... flag
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#5891725 - 08/23/15 11:47 AM Re: AR-15 let me down!! [Re: Nivlac]
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It might not be as true but part is also the shooter. With a semi auto they know they could get a follow up shot so the first shot might not be completely ethical, but with a bolt action you most likely will get one shot so you know it has to be a good one.
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