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Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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https://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/releases/?req=20150701aI saw this on a forum where hunters are getting upset because TPWD are killing the deer. They claim there is a non lethal testing method. I don't enough about this subject to dispute it. Any opinions? Thanks, CM
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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08/21/15 06:06 PM
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The only folks happy about this are a few folks who would love to see deer breeders put out of business. And some dude named flounder. Can't test live deer in the wild, but they should damned sure be testing penned deer they can get to rather than destroying them. And they should be using live deer from the index herd to try and learn something, instead of destroying them.
I don't know the true numbers as there are rumors running rampant on this. I've heard anywhere from 100 to 500 animals have already been destroyed. I confirmed with TAHC today that the lab at A&M that is doing the testing on brain stems is about three weeks behind right now. That's for specimens epidemiologically linked to a CWD positive herd, only. As far as I know, there have been only four CWD positive results from destroyed whitetails tested thus far. All four originated from the index herd. I've not heard of one positive test on any other trace forward deer.
Part of the reason for the urgency in testing is so breeders who are CWD free can resume moving their deer for liberation or sale. In that regard, many have chosen to kill trace forward animals so they can get released from the TAHC/TPWD hold ASAP, rather than fight the system.
Lots of $$$ at stake here. Lots of unhappy breeders, hunters and ranch managers. Rightfully so, imo.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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There is no approved live test, the rub is that the existing live tests haven't been validated, to validate the test, they need to allow researchers to do the live test prior to euthanizing the deer for the postmortem test. To date, there hasn't been sufficient access for the researchers, it's kind of a 'Catch 22'.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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08/21/15 06:28 PM
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Bullcarp. There were 35 deer darted (tranquilized) at the index ranch. They were then killed with an injection. Biologists could have performed the live test for validation on every one of those animals before euthanasia. Did they?
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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Bullcarp. There were 35 deer darted (tranquilized) at the index ranch. They were then killed with an injection. Biologists could have performed the live test for validation on every one of those animals before euthanasia. Did they? Why wouldn't they then? I am sure there is a reason.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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I know of exatly one instance where researchers got full access prior to herd depopulation. The agencies doing the depopulation have not been exactly welcoming to researchers. The TAHC seems to be more open and reasonable we'll see how much access researchers get.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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08/21/15 08:24 PM
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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Reality of a mass execution
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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Reality of a mass execution You into that "worship" stuff??!! That's sad if those are going to waste...
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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Reality of a mass execution You into that "worship" stuff??!! That's sad if those are going to waste... It's been over a 100 last few weeks.......
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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Reality of a mass execution You into that "worship" stuff??!! That's sad if those are going to waste... It's been over a 100 last few weeks....... For he CWD program directly, or something else, like the outbreak Rusty was talking about?
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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08/22/15 12:32 AM
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That is their idea of CWD fall out control
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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08/22/15 05:04 AM
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I know of exatly one instance where researchers got full access prior to herd depopulation. The agencies doing the depopulation have not been exactly welcoming to researchers. The TAHC seems to be more open and reasonable we'll see how much access researchers get. They just killed the index herd. That's it. They are no more interested in learning about CWD than tpwd is. And no chunky monkey, there is no logical explanation. State agencies want to destroy any business that infringes on their percieved domain.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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I know of exatly one instance where researchers got full access prior to herd depopulation. The agencies doing the depopulation have not been exactly welcoming to researchers. The TAHC seems to be more open and reasonable we'll see how much access researchers get. They just killed the index herd. That's it. They are no more interested in learning about CWD than tpwd is. And no chunky monkey, there is no logical explanation. State agencies want to destroy any business that infringes on their percieved domain. That last sentence is just as it relates to this incident. They could have easily taken much more draconian measures in response to this deal if they were hell-bent on "destroying" the deer breeding industry - and hardly anyone outside of the industry would have noticed or cared. They could have stopped TTT indefinitely inside Texas, they could have killed many more deer, etc., etc., etc. In fact, they could have used this incident as an excuse to shut down the whole industry. But, they didn't. They consulted, met, decided on measures to take, and worked to restore TTT as quickly as possible. The big breeder convention in SA just concluded. The overall sentiment was one of relief and gratitude that the state folks responded in a measured way to this deal.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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08/22/15 04:15 PM
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I know of exatly one instance where researchers got full access prior to herd depopulation. The agencies doing the depopulation have not been exactly welcoming to researchers. The TAHC seems to be more open and reasonable we'll see how much access researchers get. They just killed the index herd. That's it. They are no more interested in learning about CWD than tpwd is. And no chunky monkey, there is no logical explanation. State agencies want to destroy any business that infringes on their percieved domain. That last sentence is just as it relates to this incident. They could have easily taken much more draconian measures in response to this deal if they were hell-bent on "destroying" the deer breeding industry - and hardly anyone outside of the industry would have noticed or cared. They could have stopped TTT indefinitely inside Texas, they could have killed many more deer, etc., etc., etc. In fact, they could have used this incident as an excuse to shut down the whole industry. But, they didn't. They consulted, met, decided on measures to take, and worked to restore TTT as quickly as possible. The big breeder convention in SA just concluded. The overall sentiment was one of relief and gratitude that the state folks responded in a measured way to this deal. No they couldn't of!!!!!! TPWD wanted much more draconian measures. For once politicians did what we elected them to do. TAHC is not TPWD. TAHC had sense and choose no political or personal issue and did exactly what they where trained to do. The Governors office made the right choice. If it wasn't for TAHC, ever breeder that received seman or live deer from the index breeder in the last 5 years entire herds would of been laid down. TPWD shouldn't even been on site, and still shouldn't be. The fact TAHC has to negotiate with TWPD is BS
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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08/22/15 05:45 PM
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I know of exatly one instance where researchers got full access prior to herd depopulation. The agencies doing the depopulation have not been exactly welcoming to researchers. The TAHC seems to be more open and reasonable we'll see how much access researchers get. They just killed the index herd. That's it. They are no more interested in learning about CWD than tpwd is. And no chunky monkey, there is no logical explanation. State agencies want to destroy any business that infringes on their percieved domain. That last sentence is just as it relates to this incident. They could have easily taken much more draconian measures in response to this deal if they were hell-bent on "destroying" the deer breeding industry - and hardly anyone outside of the industry would have noticed or cared. They could have stopped TTT indefinitely inside Texas, they could have killed many more deer, etc., etc., etc. In fact, they could have used this incident as an excuse to shut down the whole industry. But, they didn't. They consulted, met, decided on measures to take, and worked to restore TTT as quickly as possible. The big breeder convention in SA just concluded. The overall sentiment was one of relief and gratitude that the state folks responded in a measured way to this deal. No they couldn't of!!!!!! TPWD wanted much more draconian measures. For once politicians did what we elected them to do. TAHC is not TPWD. TAHC had sense and choose no political or personal issue and did exactly what they where trained to do. The Governors office made the right choice. If it wasn't for TAHC, ever breeder that received seman or live deer from the index breeder in the last 5 years entire herds would of been laid down. TPWD shouldn't even been on site, and still shouldn't be. The fact TAHC has to negotiate with TWPD is BS The post said "state agencies", not just TPWD. The response was not limited to TPWD. The Governor's office is part of the State.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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The big breeder convention in SA just concluded. The overall sentiment was one of relief and gratitude that the state folks responded in a measured way to this deal. Really? Doubt it.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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I know of exatly one instance where researchers got full access prior to herd depopulation. The agencies doing the depopulation have not been exactly welcoming to researchers. The TAHC seems to be more open and reasonable we'll see how much access researchers get. They just killed the index herd. That's it. They are no more interested in learning about CWD than tpwd is. And no chunky monkey, there is no logical explanation. State agencies want to destroy any business that infringes on their percieved domain. That last sentence is just as it relates to this incident. They could have easily taken much more draconian measures in response to this deal if they were hell-bent on "destroying" the deer breeding industry - and hardly anyone outside of the industry would have noticed or cared. They could have stopped TTT indefinitely inside Texas, they could have killed many more deer, etc., etc., etc. In fact, they could have used this incident as an excuse to shut down the whole industry. But, they didn't. They consulted, met, decided on measures to take, and worked to restore TTT as quickly as possible. The big breeder convention in SA just concluded. The overall sentiment was one of relief and gratitude that the state folks responded in a measured way to this deal. tpwd AND tahc WERE going to use those exact draconian measures until they saw how they were going to be opposed. They stepped back and employed a good cop bad cop game to get at least part of their dirty work done. Again, if either agency would have cared anything about CWD spreading to the states herd they would have protected that index herd like the Crown Jewels. There is no sound logic behind destroying the index herd, it's where the answers lie. And now those answers are buried. Watch what they do, not what they say. Unless their lies are more convenient to you than the truth.
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Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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08/22/15 07:01 PM
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TAHC wasn't. TPWD was.
TAHC saw this as a golden research opportunity.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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That is an unflattering picture BOBO Really BoBo? Abuse of your moderator power? I wonder how it would be received if a "regular" member posted that pic.
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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Bullcarp. There were 35 deer darted (tranquilized) at the index ranch. They were then killed with an injection. Biologists could have performed the live test for validation on every one of those animals before euthanasia. Did they? I agree with you and the ranch should be responsible for all cost involved.
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That is an unflattering picture BOBO Really BoBo? Abuse of your moderator power? I wonder how it would be received if a "regular" member posted that pic. Same way. Why wouldn't it be?
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Re: Deer being killed to test for Chronic Wasting Disease
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Just play by the rules and the State wouldn't have to come in and kill your pet deer. Pretty simple.
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