Couple points to be made on the whole deal...

Number one is breeders signed up for the program KNOWING it would be heavily overseen by the government.

Number two is they should be spending their time and money to get the live test approved instead of trying to make it a private property or "slaughter" argument.

Three just for those that don't know the breeders can pick and choose which animals are used/tested so they can pick out their culls. They have had a voluntary program for this for a while and those folks are in compliance. Everyone else is having to catch up now that its a requirement.

The problem is you can't stop CWD, and it doesn't matter if they have the best researchers to check for it or not the government is the one that is forcing them to kill the deer to send them in.

About $125.

Lol, rancher your an angry lil fella ain't ya.
And I would say risk has everything to do with it. No one makes anyone be a deer breeder but if YOU decide to be one then there is a certain amount of RISK involved.

And for making a living raising deer makes you happy then I'm all for it as long as they are shown in fairs along with the other livestock.

Couple points to be made on the whole deal...

Number one is breeders signed up for the program KNOWING it would be heavily overseen by the government.

Number two is they should be spending their time and money to get the live test approved instead of trying to make it a private property or "slaughter" argument.

Three just for those that don't know the breeders can pick and choose which animals are used/tested so they can pick out their culls. They have had a voluntary program for this for a while and those folks are in compliance. Everyone else is having to catch up now that its a requirement.

Why did the state not start spending money on live testing when they found CWD in Mule Deer in 2012?

State used an overall average death rate to require testing of 4.75%. That is the number of deer that died in all the pens out of the total deer in the all pens last year(one deer breeder lost 30 or so deer to EHD in one month last year). So those breeders who practiced good animal husbandry and had fewer than the average death losses are penalized for having fewer death losses. The penalty? Kill healthy deer(even though they had not deer related to those deer in Medina County to be able to be movement qualified). Kill healthy deer? They had to kill deer due to the fact that they are guilty by association. That association is from being a deer breeder. That association is that all deer breeders loose deer in great numbers. Total
I also think that anyone who is under an MLD plan should have to test 50% of the deer killed this season on their land. That would amount to over 100,000 tests (done at their expense also, since they do not pay to be in MLD). That would be 3 times the numbers of tests that have been to date. That would include Mule Deer and Whitetail under HF and LF. Testing that number of deer from all areas of the State would find out if CWD is an other areas as well.
There were probably 650,000 deer killed in Texas last year in every county. Ever wonder how many of those deer crossed county lines to a final destination? Ever wonder how of those carcass were tossed into the ditch or a dog drug to who knows where? Ever wonder how many had CWD that were not tested?

Why did the state not start spending money on live testing when they found CWD in Mule Deer in 2012?

State used an overall average death rate to require testing of 4.75%. That is the number of deer that died in all the pens out of the total deer in the all pens last year(one deer breeder lost 30 or so deer to EHD in one month last year). So those breeders who practiced good animal husbandry and had fewer than the average death losses are penalized for having fewer death losses. The penalty? Kill healthy deer(even though they had not deer related to those deer in Medina County to be able to be movement qualified). Kill healthy deer? They had to kill deer due to the fact that they are guilty by association. That association is from being a deer breeder. That association is that all deer breeders loose deer in great numbers. Total
I also think that anyone who is under an MLD plan should have to test 50% of the deer killed this season on their land. That would amount to over 100,000 tests (done at their expense also, since they do not pay to be in MLD). That would be 3 times the numbers of tests that have been to date. That would include Mule Deer and Whitetail under HF and LF. Testing that number of deer from all areas of the State would find out if CWD is an other areas as well.
There were probably 650,000 deer killed in Texas last year in every county. Ever wonder how many of those deer crossed county lines to a final destination? Ever wonder how of those carcass were tossed into the ditch or a dog drug to who knows where? Ever wonder how many had CWD that were not tested?

Why did the state not start spending money on live testing when they found CWD in Mule Deer in 2012?

State used an overall average death rate to require testing of 4.75%. That is the number of deer that died in all the pens out of the total deer in the all pens last year(one deer breeder lost 30 or so deer to EHD in one month last year). So those breeders who practiced good animal husbandry and had fewer than the average death losses are penalized for having fewer death losses. The penalty? Kill healthy deer(even though they had not deer related to those deer in Medina County to be able to be movement qualified). Kill healthy deer? They had to kill deer due to the fact that they are guilty by association. That association is from being a deer breeder. That association is that all deer breeders loose deer in great numbers. Total
I also think that anyone who is under an MLD plan should have to test 50% of the deer killed this season on their land. That would amount to over 100,000 tests (done at their expense also, since they do not pay to be in MLD). That would be 3 times the numbers of tests that have been to date. That would include Mule Deer and Whitetail under HF and LF. Testing that number of deer from all areas of the State would find out if CWD is an other areas as well.
There were probably 650,000 deer killed in Texas last year in every county. Ever wonder how many of those deer crossed county lines to a final destination? Ever wonder how of those carcass were tossed into the ditch or a dog drug to who knows where? Ever wonder how many had CWD that were not tested?

So you pay a $250 bribe to have different hunting quotas than the rest of us

Ive never figured out why MLD program was "free" anyway. All the time and expense the state spends to babysit that is enormous.

Also why wouldn't the state be all for the live testing if it is as effective as said in this thread??? [/quote]

For the same reason they destroyed the perfect research sample group.

And they don't babysit me or anyone else I know on MLD. In fact, my biologist has never even done his ranch visit on one of my places. But, they do charge me an extra $250 each year. It's called a ranch license. Do they charge you extra for the fish they stock? Or the other 95% of the biologists time that they put toward things that benefit you?

There must be a lot of misconceptions out there.

No. The state extorts $250 a year from me because I lease land. Has nothing to do with quotas.

About $125.

Don't lease it then. I know what I pay to lease 7,000 acres and it's MLD.

$250 doesn't equate to a single sheet of toilet paper on a jumbo roll as it relates to what the property leases for.

Ive never figured out why MLD program was "free" anyway. All the time and expense the state spends to babysit that is enormous.

Also why wouldn't the state be all for the live testing if it is as effective as said in this thread???

Thats what he has to pay to lease it out. It's a lease license

Thats what he has to pay to lease it out. It's a lease license

I understand that. What I don't understand is why he considers it extortion.