I thought pictures were supposed to be done in a tasteful manner. I guess I am wrong. Sorry.

hunting pictures yes.

Look like hunting pictures to you?

Could be. I don't know the back story of the pic.

I just don't understand why people get upset when they break the rules. Pet deer breeders know the rules and risk involved.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The owner of the index herd and others who had to put deer down had done nothing wrong.

Most ignorant thing I've heard.. You do realize that no rules where broken, right? You do know all three of the bucks tested where born on that farm and where all related. All three came from the same mom that tested negative, all three where AI'ed, all three had no contact with the rest of the deer in that facility. See the ironic picture of the three deer that tested positive. FYI the original deer was a volunteer test by the Ranch owner.

New regulations just dictated no matter if you have no physical or genetic line to the index herd you now get to kill a percentage of your herd for testing.

Just like the 8 wild deer in West Tx... No rules where broken there, but wait no massacre there.

People are screaming about using this to further live testing.... Gee I wonder why.

I have no monetary ties to breeders or HF. In face I have one animal on
My wall that could be considered HF, and that's my wife oryx(it only takes a 4' fence to be consider HF for an oryx).. But I along with thousands of others are screaming foul.

Also for your information breeder industry are the ones forking over the money for most CWD testing efforts.

Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on the topic at hand before you make statements such as this.

Lol. You didn't catch the risk involved statement? I will admit I haven't read about the case being discussed in this thread.

That's the reason people are screaming to use this herd for longer term testing.

This wasn't a "your caught red handed, pay the piper".. This is an OH Crop!! CWD could be genetic or have a genetic trigger.

This was a deer that broke its neck in a pen and the owner submitted it to volunteer testing.

Maybe we should just eliminate the deer breeding industry period! I think it's a big black eye to hunting anyway. I don't see the need to kill livestock. And no I am not against HF hunting! Just against the breeding industry.

I'm not a fan of breeders either but every wildlife principle and disease solution both domesticated and non domesticated came from breeders. You are the premier APex predator, you control every species survival on the planet. From a macro view we are all breeders.

I said earlier in the thread that I totally agree with you on the testing. If there is a better way to test then let's find it. I don't agree with deer breeding but it is what it is.

Booner here's the 'Catch 22', there's no validated live test for CWD, there is an experimental test that is expected to be between 93% and 97% accurate. To validate the test researchers need to do the live test and compare it to the postmortem test. The problem has been agencies involved killing all the deer without giving the researchers access. What do you think will be more effective in curbing CWD spot checking deer that die with a 100% test or checking entire herds with a 93% to 97% effective test. In every disease control situation early detection is best.

That is not true as I know it and I attended both the deer summit and the meeting run by the tahc and tpwd and agriscience in Hondo. Tahc is in charge. They are the ones that approved the ascenine protocol of destroying the deer in the originating herd. The only reason that was done was to bury the evidence. Nothing but which deer were infected can be researched by the protocol tahc approved.

They good cop bad copped you and many in the breeding industry. They're both bad.

Risk has nothing to do with what you said. You said they broke the rules. No one broke any rules or laws.

And you don't get to decide what others do for a living or a hobby. Sucks huh.

And yes, your post was at least the most ignorant of the day.

Couple points to be made on the whole deal...

Number one is breeders signed up for the program KNOWING it would be heavily overseen by the government.

Number two is they should be spending their time and money to get the live test approved instead of trying to make it a private property or "slaughter" argument.

Three just for those that don't know the breeders can pick and choose which animals are used/tested so they can pick out their culls. They have had a voluntary program for this for a while and those folks are in compliance. Everyone else is having to catch up now that its a requirement.

Lol, rancher your an angry lil fella ain't ya.
And I would say risk has everything to do with it. No one makes anyone be a deer breeder but if YOU decide to be one then there is a certain amount of RISK involved.

And for making a living raising deer makes you happy then I'm all for it as long as they are shown in fairs along with the other livestock.

That's the problem when CWD is found at a breeding facility the responsible agencies depopulate the herd without allowing researchers access. They can't get the data to validate the test. This has been a major problem consistently with CWD research. There is another avenue of research involving a genetically modified rumen bacteria that destroys the misfolded prions. Tests show it slows down and in one case totally prevented oral transmission. It needs both test subjects and money to go forward beyond the current small group study. This might be at least a partial answer in controlling CWD in wild herds.

Sounds like a good option to me. What is the hold-up? Does the state just not want to do it or do they not want to pay for it? The breeder should pay for all test and all expenses involved. Other than that the state is ignorant if they don't allow research for live testing.

The "problem" is cwd has been around since before man even knew what it was. Deer herds aren't wiped out by it, it's not the end of the world. Now all of a sudden the sky is falling...

I have always said you put TPWD in control of anything it will be messed up. They overreact on everything and a bunch " not all" don't know [censored] when it comes to management period.

Need to recheck your facts on number 3

There is a huge difference in submitting dead animals(natural death) vs sacrificing animals...

Culls? Sorry I'm not one to want to donate another 1/3 of my post tax paycheck to study wage equality

When depopulation is done the funds tend to come from the USDA. They take total control and submit specimens to the lab in Ames IA. Why they don't allow researchers access is a mystery to everyone involved. The one case where researchers got access was during a period when the USDA didn't have funds when first discovered. The breeding industry association made arrangements for the tests. Soon after the tests were made the USDA got fresh funding and depopulated the facility.