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How times change.
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08/21/15 11:51 AM
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don k
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It used to be that people wanted to know what a deer scored. Did not want to shoot them until they were at least a 150". Now they want to know how old it is. As long as he is at least 6 years old. does not matter what he scores as long as he is old enough. I wonder what next year will bring deciding on if a Buck can be taken or not?
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 11:57 AM
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Before that, points were measured in tines, and an eight point or better was really something. Before that, any buck was a trophy. Before that, any deer.
Some of us are still happy with any deer.
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 12:06 PM
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If nobody ever mentioned score on a deer again (unless it was a record book buck), it would be fine with me. If age is becoming more important that's a great trend IMO.
In the AZ unit I took my sheep in, there was a 13 year old ram taken, yet he was the second lowest scoring ram taken in the unit. I would have gladly taken that ram, and every hunter I talked to said the same thing.
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Re: How times change.
[Re: don k]
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08/21/15 12:08 PM
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I have hunted long enough to remember when width and how much a buck weighed were the first things talked about. I shoot what I like these days not what some "book" wants me to.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 01:10 PM
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I think growing old has to be beneficial. I wanna say people are gonna shy away from anything with non typical points and look only for clean symmetrical racks
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 01:24 PM
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Before that, points were measured in tines, and an eight point or better was really something. Before that, any buck was a trophy. Before that, any deer.
Some of us are still happy with any deer. Leases we were on it was, if its legal, its up ta one hold tag ... Person works hard, pays lease fees, invests in camper, corn food plots hunting licence, ya'll know the rut we go threw... We was just starting out, streatching $7.22 an hour pay check... Credit adviser said hunting lease bad investment.. As pappy said: tis used ta being laughed at made fun of ... We Thanked em for advice & walked out... Allways heard how Bad times are... Less than a buck a day... Enjoy the great outdoors, camp, chance for ta do some en & chillen... Beat working in that thar hot, nasty, stinken foundry.... We payed our bills, roof over head, did best we could, with what little we had.... Income is even less, times have changed.... Can't aford hunten lease, scraped for the $24.00 hunten permit, & the $48.00 WMA permit.... Cant complain got some pork the other wild game chillen in freezer, pork on the , hay, a one deer county for years tis now 4deer county....
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 01:27 PM
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I have hunted long enough to remember when width and how much a buck weighed were the first things talked about. I shoot what I like these days not what some "book" wants me to. Yessr
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 01:31 PM
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I too remember the "points" years. A little 1 year old basket 10 pointer was as big of a trophy as a 7 year old monster 8 pointer. We also had the guys that claimed that deer got a point for each year old the were.
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 01:49 PM
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Before that, points were measured in tines, and an eight point or better was really something. Before that, any buck was a trophy. Before that, any deer.
Some of us are still happy with any deer. And some of us are old enough to remember when only bucks were legal.
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 01:56 PM
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Im happy hunting. Pretty much have only had 2 stages in my hunting, first was trigger happy wanted to kill anything and everything buck, doe, hog didn't matter. Second old buck slipped up and happended to get shot by yours truly, looking at the old buck in comparison to all the others I had shot was night and day difference in every aspect, turned to a new page and have tried to let them age since. The feeding we do promotes excesive densities, so I still get to feed my trigger finger on pop control side as well.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 01:56 PM
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Before that, points were measured in tines, and an eight point or better was really something. Before that, any buck was a trophy. Before that, any deer.
Some of us are still happy with any deer. And some of us are old enough to remember when only bucks were legal. And spikes were illegal.
Silver spurs and gold tequila keep me hanging on. Pretty girls and old cantinas give me shelter from the storm.
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 01:57 PM
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I have hunted long enough to remember when width and how much a buck weighed were the first things talked about. I shoot what I like these days not what some "book" wants me to. +1
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 02:37 PM
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I have hunted long enough to remember when width and how much a buck weighed were the first things talked about. I shoot what I like these days not what some "book" wants me to. +1 agreed I shoot what is legal sausage quality as completed by Slovacek is all I care about
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 02:51 PM
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Guys start talking numbers on scores and it just sounds like sports' stats gibberish to me. I know what an old deer looks like. If I see something weird, I don't have anything like that, it's not Bambi, and my heart rate goes up, it's go time.
This subject is part and parcel to the infamous "Is it a cull or is it a trophy?" discussion on so many leases that causes so many problems.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 03:03 PM
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Before that, points were measured in tines, and an eight point or better was really something. Before that, any buck was a trophy. Before that, any deer.
Some of us are still happy with any deer. And some of us are old enough to remember when only bucks were legal. I remember when we actually had doe permits when we hunted in Mason county for many years.
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 03:15 PM
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THis was all before country was commercialized. Isn't amazing how we have learned to make money off of everything. Now days its hard just here a good old country song mostly have to listen to songs baout lifted trucks or half rap country crap.
Tis the American way to put points on osmething how else do we monetize it?
-Those who say money can't buy happiness never bought a dog.
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 03:56 PM
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Guys start talking numbers on scores and it just sounds like sports' stats gibberish to me. I know what an old deer looks like. If I see something weird, I don't have anything like that, it's not Bambi, and my heart rate goes up, it's go time.
This subject is part and parcel to the infamous "Is it a cull or is it a trophy?" discussion on so many leases that causes so many problems. Tis main reason stay out of the Deer Hunting section on here... Had thread What is culling? , or something like that... Thread tis gone missing... Times have changed, first deer rifle was a Kentucky .45 went high-tech ta a . 270 ... Age of high-tech Bigger, Faster, Better.. it reminds me of Country tune... Grampa, tell me bout the good old days ... i got cheap posts
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 04:33 PM
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I remember when weight was the biggest factor. If you told someone you had got a deer, it was "How much did he weigh?". Most of the racks where nailed to a barn/shed, or thrown in a pile.
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 04:48 PM
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In the late 70s, my dad hunted a whole season and only saw three deer (and shot them all). Now days seeing three deer is a slow half-hour.
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 05:41 PM
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If nobody ever mentioned score on a deer again (unless it was a record book buck), it would be fine with me. If age is becoming more important that's a great trend IMO.
In the AZ unit I took my sheep in, there was a 13 year old ram taken, yet he was the second lowest scoring ram taken in the unit. I would have gladly taken that ram, and every hunter I talked to said the same thing. What did he score?
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 05:43 PM
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Trolling eh Rifleman?
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 05:46 PM
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I can visualize something a lot better with a score in mind when the description is, he was heavy, decent curl and broomed like tree stump.
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 05:49 PM
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"xactly" what I thought I would like any Ram with a curl, seen a few good ones in Colorado, but wouldn't know a trophy, one with a curl would be a trophy to me...
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Re: How times change.
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08/21/15 06:31 PM
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If nobody ever mentioned score on a deer again (unless it was a record book buck), it would be fine with me. If age is becoming more important that's a great trend IMO.
In the AZ unit I took my sheep in, there was a 13 year old ram taken, yet he was the second lowest scoring ram taken in the unit. I would have gladly taken that ram, and every hunter I talked to said the same thing. What did he score? He was not book, but he wasn't a baby. Score was 155 or so. I really would like to see pics of the 13 year old too biologist said he looked like an "old man" sheep on his last legs. He was known to them and had been for some time. Just knew how to not show himself.
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Re: How times change.
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Desert or Rocky Mountain Nogales? You might check this blog. I can't open it at work but it mentions a 13 year old ram.
Little Horn Outfitters littlehornoutfitters.blogspot.com/ Jim finally got lucky and drew a tag after nearly 10 years of applications and hunted ... guided Jim to this gorgeous old ram which was aged at 13 years old and had a ... It's a rare occasion to post a story of one of the guys doing their own sheep ...
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