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#5884288 - 08/18/15 11:53 AM Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost
rowdydog1 Offline
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Registered: 07/08/14
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So I now have 2 quail leases for this year. Both in excellent country, the second one is more than double the cost of the first because they wanted to limit the number of lease members. But I couldn't pass up on the place after seeing it and it be awhile before another spot opens up. I can take 2 guests each time I go.

My question is this: If I wanted to do some guided hunts to recoup some of the cost what would be a fair price per day and what should I expect/provide and what would your expectations be if you were paying? I hunt on foot and will provide lodging, food and 4 dogs.

Have any of you ever done something like this? Based on experience I think I could promise 5-10 coveys of wild birds per day. Guessing more on the new place.

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#5884411 - 08/18/15 01:14 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
tigger Offline
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My guess that is a great way to be removed from the lease.
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#5884570 - 08/18/15 02:51 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
bill oxner Offline
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I think you'd be better off eating the cost or and getting a guest to split the cost with you.
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#5884964 - 08/18/15 06:59 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: bill oxner]
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Originally Posted By: bill oxner
I think you'd be better off eating the cost or and getting a guest to split the cost with you.
What Bill said. up

And what tigger said too.

Originally Posted By: tigger
My guess that is a great way to be removed from the lease.
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#5885156 - 08/18/15 08:46 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
arandy Offline
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Registered: 12/22/08
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It's Texas. Better act like you are a Texun if you want to stay.

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#5885196 - 08/18/15 09:05 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
Barny Topwater Offline
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The draw back to splitting the lease is who isn't on the lease contract usually can't go without who is.
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#5885497 - 08/19/15 06:59 AM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: Barny Topwater]
bill oxner Offline
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Originally Posted By: Barny Topwater
The draw back to splitting the lease is who isn't on the lease contract usually can't go without who is.


Right. I've done it a couple of times with the lease manager's knowledge, but I was always the primary lease holder. I went more often.
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#5886321 - 08/19/15 04:56 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
NorthTXbirdhunter Offline
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That is a big no-no! And to think that you have already posted your intent on this board.....Don't step over a dollar to pick up a dime.

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#5888340 - 08/20/15 08:43 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
TXPanhandler Offline
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If I was on that lease with you and you did that I probably wouldn't invite you back next year. Or the next year. Or the year after that.
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#5889772 - 08/21/15 06:22 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
rowdydog1 Offline
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Registered: 07/08/14
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Guys, I appreciate your feedback and I understand where you are coming from. First, I'm not looking to become a commercial guide. I am friends with all the lease members and I have already spoken to them about either splitting my spot or doing something like this to get a little money back. Not trying to do anything behind anyone's back.

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#5889797 - 08/21/15 06:36 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
Chet Offline
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Splitting the lease cost is one thing and done a lot, but if you brought pay to hunt boys on a lease I was in you would be gone or I'd be gone, one or the other. If the other lease members are ok with you guiding folks on their lease they deserve anything they get.

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#5890545 - 08/22/15 11:11 AM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
bill oxner Offline
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Originally Posted By: rowdydog1
Guys, I appreciate your feedback and I understand where you are coming from. First, I'm not looking to become a commercial guide. I am friends with all the lease members and I have already spoken to them about either splitting my spot or doing something like this to get a little money back. Not trying to do anything behind anyone's back.


The big difference is you'd have meat hunters if you did guided hunts. Splitting the cost you would have bird dog enthusiast.
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#5890707 - 08/22/15 01:56 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
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Registered: 01/19/12
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Since you are getting negative feedback, try this approach.
What money amount would you need per hunt, two, four, etc to cover the cost of 1/2 of lease? And is lease manager ok with you doing this...?
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#5896290 - 08/25/15 08:41 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
beatarmy Offline
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Registered: 10/01/09
Posts: 369
Loc: dallas
most lease hunters have a vested interest in staying on the lease for as long as possible if it's a good lease because finding a good lease is hard. Doubly so an affordable good lease. because of this they tend to be good stewards of the wildlife resources. Pay per hunt hunters aren't going to necessarily have the same priorities...especially those folks who don't bother to keep their own dogs. They are probably better off "hunting" released birds. If you can find folks who would willingly limit themselves to something significantly less than the legal limit for the opportunity to pursue wild birds you might be ok.

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#5897254 - 08/26/15 12:53 PM Re: Question re: Recouping some Lease Cost [Re: rowdydog1]
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If I'm paying for the hunt, I'm looking for 15-20 coveys per day. We were averaging 20 last season.
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