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#5869278 - 08/08/15 01:12 PM 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD
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SAN ANTONIO - Texas Mountain Ranch owner Robert Patterson says four deer from his facility in Medina County have tested positive for chronic wasting disease.

Patterson has been working with the Texas Animal Health Commission and Texas Parks and Wildlife Department since one of his captive white-tailed deer tested positive for CWD in June.
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http://www.ksat.com/content/pns/ksat/new...ve-for-cwd.html
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#5869303 - 08/08/15 01:44 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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"He said 42 deer have been killed and tested since July 28, and three additional positives were the result. He added that all four deer confirmed to have the disease were males from the same father, which leads him to believe the problem is genetic."


http://www.ksat.com/content/pns/ksat/new...ve-for-cwd.html

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#5869355 - 08/08/15 02:43 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
"He said 42 deer have been killed and tested since July 28, and three additional positives were the result. He added that all four deer confirmed to have the disease were males from the same father, which leads him to believe the problem is genetic."


http://www.ksat.com/content/pns/ksat/new...ve-for-cwd.html


So, did it come from Elk, mule deer, or WT. If it is genetic?? Just say'n
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#5869363 - 08/08/15 02:49 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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Probably mutation from line breeding if I were to guess...why you ain't s'posed to marry yer sister/first cousin.

Now the big question is: if a non-infected doe absorbs infected fetuses (which BW should greatly impact incubation period), will she get it? So there's a test, knock one up, let her progress, then starve her for a while (in the name of science).

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#5869364 - 08/08/15 02:53 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: rifleman]
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Originally Posted By: rifleman
Probably mutation from line breeding if I were to guess...why you ain't s'posed to marry yer sister/first cousin.

Now the big question is: if a non-infected doe absorbs infected fetuses (which BW should greatly impact incubation period), will she get it? So there's a test, knock one up, let her progress, then starve her for a while (in the name of science).


CWD is spread over many states and many places, the animals could have not interbred, let alone an elk and any deer.
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#5869379 - 08/08/15 03:13 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: Western]
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Patterson and others should stick to law, and other things they are familiar with. CWD is definitely not "genetic".

The fact that these deer are all bucks from the same AI sire means that somehow CWD was transmitted by semen. The doe that had twins who tested positive, evidently tested negative. Which tells anyone with a brain that it's not transmitted easily through mothers milk unless they didn't let them nurse, and it's also not easily transmitted through amnionic fluid. Both of those facts shout that this disease is not easily transmitted period.

We are learning tons from these deer. It would be so foolish to destroy them all. Regardless of what those with an agenda say.
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#5869381 - 08/08/15 03:13 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: rifleman]
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Originally Posted By: rifleman
Probably mutation from line breeding if I were to guess...why you ain't s'posed to marry yer sister/first cousin.

Now the big question is: if a non-infected doe absorbs infected fetuses (which BW should greatly impact incubation period), will she get it? So there's a test, knock one up, let her progress, then starve her for a while (in the name of science).


So are you saying this case is a mutation or CWD came from a line breeding mutation?

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#5869389 - 08/08/15 03:24 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: therancher]
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Originally Posted By: therancher
Patterson and others should stick to law, and other things they are familiar with. CWD is definitely not "genetic".

The fact that these deer are all bucks from the same AI sire means that somehow CWD was transmitted by semen. The doe that had twins who tested positive, evidently tested negative. Which tells anyone with a brain that it's not transmitted easily through mothers milk unless they didn't let them nurse, and it's also not easily transmitted through amnionic fluid. Both of those facts shout that this disease is not easily transmitted period.

We are learning tons from these deer. It would be so foolish to destroy them all. Regardless of what those with an agenda say.


While I agree with you a 100% on transmission rates....

I've thought it had genetic triggers for a very long time, and still do. Great thing about it having genetic triggers is it will go away in captive herds... Just like the sheep version. It will eventaully go away in wild herds also but will take a lot longer for Mother Nature to run her course.

If it is proven genetics plays a role then it's been around for a lot longer then most realize and is truly can't be claimed as a breeder disease that so many want it to be

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#5869392 - 08/08/15 03:25 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: Western]
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Originally Posted By: Western
Originally Posted By: rifleman
Probably mutation from line breeding if I were to guess...why you ain't s'posed to marry yer sister/first cousin.

Now the big question is: if a non-infected doe absorbs infected fetuses (which BW should greatly impact incubation period), will she get it? So there's a test, knock one up, let her progress, then starve her for a while (in the name of science).


CWD is spread over many states and many places, the animals could have not interbred, let alone an elk and any deer.


Plus I didn't know we where doing massive line breeding of mulies in the 40's

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#5869446 - 08/08/15 04:17 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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While I don't think the cause of this CWD incident is genetic there could be a genetic susceptibility to it. Scrapie susceptibility in sheep, is largely breed dependent, with some breeds almost immune. We need to start doing genetic profiles of infected deer and associated uninfected deer to try to quantify susceptibility. Their is some evidence of a declining incidence of CWD in a couple of wild elk herds. Whether they are developing resistance is hard to quantify with all the possible factors but it has been suggested as a possibility. What applies to elk might not apply to deer, but if you could identify resistant lines, they would soon dominate the breeding industry.
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#5869561 - 08/08/15 05:49 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: rifleman
Probably mutation from line breeding if I were to guess...why you ain't s'posed to marry yer sister/first cousin.

Now the big question is: if a non-infected doe absorbs infected fetuses (which BW should greatly impact incubation period), will she get it? So there's a test, knock one up, let her progress, then starve her for a while (in the name of science).


So are you saying this case is a mutation or CWD came from a line breeding mutation?


Not that it was caused by it, but you know the situation with immunity issues from pure breeds and line bred animals. Doesn't mean they cause it, just means they could be more susceptible to it. And if incubation rates depend on BW it would make sense for those carrying at time of conception will have it progress faster than those that are older. I just wonder how advanced it has to be to be detected.

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#5869625 - 08/08/15 06:41 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: rifleman]
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Originally Posted By: rifleman
Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: rifleman
Probably mutation from line breeding if I were to guess...why you ain't s'posed to marry yer sister/first cousin.

Now the big question is: if a non-infected doe absorbs infected fetuses (which BW should greatly impact incubation period), will she get it? So there's a test, knock one up, let her progress, then starve her for a while (in the name of science).


So are you saying this case is a mutation or CWD came from a line breeding mutation?


Not that it was caused by it, but you know the situation with immunity issues from pure breeds and line bred animals. Doesn't mean they cause it, just means they could be more susceptible to it. And if incubation rates depend on BW it would make sense for those carrying at time of conception will have it progress faster than those that are older. I just wonder how advanced it has to be to be detected.


Plausabile since you can do the opposite.

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#5869662 - 08/08/15 07:06 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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If that's the case though, there won't be a vaccine. There might be a suppressant that slows the rate it attacks healthy areas of the brain, but that already exists for humans and a cost analysis to administer it will say to just shoot the deer and all its kin.

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#5869667 - 08/08/15 07:09 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: rifleman]
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Originally Posted By: rifleman
If that's the case though, there won't be a vaccine. There might be a suppressant that slows the rate it attacks healthy areas of the brain, but that already exists for humans and a cost analysis to administer it will say to just shoot the deer and all its kin.


Maybe

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#5869782 - 08/08/15 08:32 PM Re: 4 deer from Medina County test positive for CWD [Re: jeh7mmmag]
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Actually there has been research, in New York, that an inoculant could slow down and perhaps stop oral transmission of CWD. The researchers called it a vaccine, but it's a GMO bacteria, that destroys the misfolded proteins in the rumen. It wouldn't of helped in this case but it would act to buffer the spread.
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