It is ironic in the extreme that the REAL poaching threat (by natives of Africa) goes almost unnoticed as isolated sport hunting poaching now is an international outrage.

The media is powerful.

I haven't convicted anybody.

I don't feel the need to twist myself into a pretzel defending convicted felon poachers and/or accused poachers just because they kill chit though. As some apparently do.

Hunting is more than making something die. There are standards, rules, zen involved (as in, a way to go about the endeavor that makes it something worthy).

Apparently this is fast becoming lost among the "checklist" crowd.

Unfortunately it seems only certain animals make the "Zen" list for many people. Racoons, feral pigs, opossum or coyotes don't get much respect and many even think it's okay to gut shoot them. I guess lions have that quality for many people.

THF outlook on this...


Couple guys bash Hunter

Couple guys see shift in attitudes

Couple guys scramble

Disagree. We will self destruct from with in and shut hunting down.

The minority hunts and the other minority are anti's.
The majority are those that hunt plus those that don't hunt but don't have a problem with it(current situation)

We pick and choose what kind of hunting to support and bash the other legal means then we beat ourselves. Alienating one another will be our down fall.

The CECIL situation is to close to a "CANNED HUNT".

Really. Most African hunts and north american "wild" sheep hunts are more "canned".

You don't have a clue WHAT I do buddy.

You get all bent because you say I am telling other folks how to act (just because I have an opinion) yet you turn around and directly tell me how to act. Do you not see the hypocrisy?

Since you're all about suggestions, here's one:Why don't you stop making everything personal and telling me what to do when you don't know the first thing about me?

Let me explain it another way. I would not go with the guys hunting "George the reserve lion." Lol y'all act like real hunts for wild animals don't exist.

..... I spent 50 days climbing my rear end off to get 2 wild sheep. 50 days...
I spent 10 days walking from dawn to dark hunting a lion. If these are canned hunts then we will never agree.

Yep. The VAST majority are those that let the media tell them what to think.

You don't have a clue WHAT I do buddy.

You get all bent because you say I am telling other folks how to act (just because I have an opinion) yet you turn around and directly tell me how to act. Do you not see the hypocrisy?

Since you're all about suggestions, here's one:Why don't you stop making everything personal and telling me what to do when you don't know the first thing about me?

I don't know where you hunted and if you liked it, I'm all for it. But, I hunted bear this spring with one of the premier sheep guides in north America. And he VOLUNTEERED that on his dall sheep, stone sheep and desert bighorn they fly the area with a chopper the day before the hunt, and then set up base camp however many hours away they think the hunter wants to hunt.

Obviously if you went for 50 days... you didn't hunt with this guy.

I'm for all legal hunting. And what floats your boat tickles the s*** outta me.

I was just pointing out that a lot of our "hard sheep hunts" are just as "canned" as luring a lion from a refuge.

I don't know where you hunted and if you liked it, I'm all for it. But, I hunted bear this spring with one of the premier sheep guides in north America. And he VOLUNTEERED that on his dall sheep, stone sheep and desert bighorn they fly the area with a chopper the day before the hunt, and then set up base camp however many hours away they think the hunter wants to hunt.

Obviously if you went for 50 days... you didn't hunt with this guy.

I'm for all legal hunting. And what floats your boat tickles the s*** outta me.

I was just pointing out that a lot of our "hard sheep hunts" are just as "canned" as luring a lion from a refuge.

I'm not indicting anyone either, therancher.

I guess personal ethical behavior, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I'd hunted the 90 square mile Santa Rosa Island twice before hunting was banned there by the Feds. I considered the hunt to be very fair and ethical because the island was so vast and mountainous that it was impossible for an animal to get cornered and run out of options. And trying to find the same animal two days in a row was futility itself. But because the deer and elk there were non-native (they had only been there around 100 years) and because the animals technically couldn't escape the island, B&C declined to consider the hunt free chase.

Custer State Park in South Dakota is about the same size as Santa Rosa Island. It is partially high fenced, although not completely so. It is home to the biggest bison in North America. When I finally was drawn for a Custer hunt, I needed only to slowly and carefully stalk to within 51 long steps of my bull and drop it with one shot into the first cervical vertebra. B&C does recognize trophies taken from Custer, and my bull is currently #34 all time in the latest Book.

Now which was the more ethical hunt? To me, there is no doubt; it is Santa Rosa. It was challenging in every way, whereas Custer was just a walk in the park. So I guess each hunter must come to his own conclusions about what is right for him.....