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2nd time leasing..how does this sound
#5859584
08/02/15 03:42 PM
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Year-round access, Western Willacy county. North of 186, bordering wildlife refuge. 200 acres 6 guns. One cull buck (8pt inside ears 4.5y/o or older. multiple does, Nilgai, hogs, javelina, predators. plus trophy buck fee of $500 with bow or $1000 with rifle. Owner said i can also quail hunt after deer season. There is a camp house, blinds, and feeders. The owner provides corn and protein all year.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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#5859607
08/02/15 03:52 PM
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stxranchman
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6 guns on 200 acres? Way to many for me.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/02/15 03:58 PM
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I would red flag that one.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/02/15 04:42 PM
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You know the old saying. If it sounds to good to be true. Just need to be careful around that area as most of the properties around the 2 refuges in that area are farm land and a lot of folks poach around there.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/02/15 05:09 PM
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1 hunter per 50 acres. What could go wrong? Maybe they can all bring friends also, thataway they can make sure & shoot up everything that moves, & maybe each other.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/02/15 05:31 PM
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magspa
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Saw plenty of game when out there driving around. Deer, turkeys, javelina, and quail. All blinds are elevated except for one which is the owners because he is limited to a wheelchair. there is a lot of work to be done around camp, that would be a requirement also.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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#5859769
08/02/15 05:43 PM
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stxranchman
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1 hunter per 50 acres. What could go wrong? Maybe they can all bring friends also, thataway they can make sure & shoot up everything that moves, & maybe each other. Better recheck your math... 1 hunter per 33 acres then throw in the owner that would be 1 hunter per 25 acres now. You would have to have a very high deer density for everyone to kill a buck. That would be 7 bucks( at just 1 per hunter) total off of 200 acres. If you have a buck to doe ratio of 1 to 3 that would mean a deer for every 7.5 acres. If you figure 2 bucks per hunter then you would need a deer to 3.75 acres. My first question would be was it leased last year? If so, then what happened to all the other hunters from last year? I would also ask if he allows his family to hunt?
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/02/15 05:53 PM
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the owner is one of the six. 4/5 are there from last year and have been for a while. One guy moved to Florida, which would be the spot i would take.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/02/15 06:09 PM
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Talk to the other members and ask how their experience has been on the property. What have/do they see and what have they killed on a yearly basis. You'll get a good idea whether or not it's worth it.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/03/15 01:02 AM
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CGB
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What is the price? I saw trophy fees but no base price.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/03/15 02:44 AM
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/03/15 04:30 AM
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So, basically, the owner is getting $37.50 an acre plus trophy fees, and he still gets to hunt? Let's say, just for fun, that three trophy bucks are killed with a rifle, and one with a bow. That brings his yearly total to $11,000, or $55 an acre, and he can still hunt his property as much as he wants. That is an absolutely killer deal for the landowner, but those guys are getting fleeced IMO.
"God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal."
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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#5860585
08/03/15 11:23 AM
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Crowded and way to much money
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/03/15 12:19 PM
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thanks for the input. I think im going to do it though. Just so i have a place to go all year and it is only 40mins from my house. Plus the opportunity to harvest a bull nilgai that would run at least $2500.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/03/15 12:41 PM
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thanks for the input. I think im going to do it though. Just so i have a place to go all year and it is only 40mins from my house. Plus the opportunity to harvest a bull nilgai that would run at least $2500. Do what feels right to you is what I say! Check with the current hunters and try and get an objective evaluation of the property and experience; you'll then have your answer.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/03/15 12:43 PM
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bermise
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It may be better than no lease but I think you will have regrets at the end of the season. I've had my share of bad leases in the past & there are several red flags with this lease, management practice & the landowner.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/03/15 03:56 PM
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It may be better than no lease but I think you will have regrets at the end of the season. I've had my share of bad leases in the past & there are several red flags with this lease, management practice & the landowner. Agree - I get having a chance at a place to hunt but getting the wrong place to hunt is no fun. That is very crowded - hope it works out for you but I wouldn't put my money on it. Have seen too many similar setups that crash and burn
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/03/15 06:30 PM
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/04/15 03:04 AM
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CGB
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Sounds pretty good to me. A place to stay. Blinds and feeders already set up. Half of the $1500 you pay for the place is probably going to go to protein, corn and electricity. 6 guns on 200 acres can be done with a good group. Close to home. A chance at a Nilgai. If it's no good you can move on with very minimal money or time spent setting up. Over the years I've been on some really good leases and some really bad ones and I had fun on all of them.
Last edited by CGB; 08/04/15 03:07 AM.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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#5862748
08/04/15 04:12 PM
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Westtexan1
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Great lease for the landowner but terrible for the lessors. Caviot emptor.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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#5863569
08/05/15 12:59 AM
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Over priced. Keep looking leases will start to show up as season gets near
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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#5869453
08/08/15 09:22 PM
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Is it by the wildlife refuge? I had gone couple years ago to look at one with the same description but things sounded fishy especially when the lo said he didn't start feeding till mid September for the bowhunters to start drawing in deer seems it will be very crowded if everyine decides to go opening day
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/08/15 11:56 PM
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yes it is neat the refuge. Actually have to go through federal gate to get to the property. Borders refuge.
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/15/15 01:05 AM
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What is up with the people these days 200 acres is not worth more than 2,000$ total that's 10$ per acre anyone trying to get more is just a joke and all the desperate people that keep paying silly prices are the reason lease fees keep going up. If everyone will just stand up for themselves maybe we will quit being taken advantage of. PS good luck getting a Nilgai these people are always full of shi@
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Re: 2nd time leasing..how does this sound
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08/17/15 12:48 AM
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What is up with the people these days 200 acres is not worth more than 2,000$ total that's 10$ per acre anyone trying to get more is just a joke and all the desperate people that keep paying silly prices are the reason lease fees keep going up. If everyone will just stand up for themselves maybe we will quit being taken advantage of. PS good luck getting a Nilgai these people are always full of shi@ Its obviously not a joke to the landowner or the others willing to pay the asking price to hunt it! I Have a little less than half that acreage and I wouldn't take less than $35 dollars an acre for someone to hunt on it! Course I'd probably never even consider leasing it to someone as I could never get what its worth to me. Sounds to me like this land is down in central texas. Have you ever priced land down in that area???? For grins do a quick research of market prices on land in Gillespie,Kerr,Mason,or Mernard counties! Acreage in Kerr and Gillespie goes for around 10k per acre and many time more than that. You think if I guy spent 1-3 million on a couple hundred acres he's going to lease it out for 10 dollars an acre? Lease fees keep going up because of supply and demand and its as simple as that! They are making lots more people but are not making any more land.
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