The antis are idiots. The point is not to serve up stuff for them to actually be idiotic about. Lots of non-hunters don't like this deal either.

I've only been to Africa twice, and both times I was utterly clueless what the game laws where in each country. I put 100% total trust in my PH that we where doing everything by the book. I've also hunted in New Zealand, Canada and most of the Western States, including Alaska with outfitters that I relied on knowing the laws and following them. In the US, I do have some idea of what the rules are, but would never claim to know all of them. This is part of why I hire a guide.

I keep reading comments and articles of this, and so far I have not figured out what laws where violated, or what was done wrong. To me, this is the same as hunting outside of Yellowstone for a monster elk, or sitting along the edge of Banff waiting for the new world record ram to walk across the line, or a really nice ten point on your neighbors land that jumps the fence onto the land you own or have permission to hunt. Doesn't matter that buck was his pet, his favorite deer or that his wife named it fluffy. If no laws where broken, it's a non story.

I've only been to Africa twice, and both times I was utterly clueless what the game laws where in each country. I put 100% total trust in my PH that we where doing everything by the book. I've also hunted in New Zealand, Canada and most of the Western States, including Alaska with outfitters that I relied on knowing the laws and following them. In the US, I do have some idea of what the rules are, but would never claim to know all of them. This is part of why I hire a guide.

I keep reading comments and articles of this, and so far I have not figured out what laws where violated, or what was done wrong. To me, this is the same as hunting outside of Yellowstone for a monster elk, or sitting along the edge of Banff waiting for the new world record ram to walk across the line, or a really nice ten point on your neighbors land that jumps the fence onto the land you own or have permission to hunt. Doesn't matter that buck was his pet, his favorite deer or that his wife named it fluffy. If no laws where broken, it's a non story.

So I talked to another PH in Zimbabwe early this morning and it turns out that the Game Ranch they hunted the lion on was reclaimed by the government earlier this year, so this was poaching...

I know the PH that hunted this lion, I hunted with him in 1997 and 1999. I am very disappointed that he called me and lied about what happened. I am sorry that I stood up for him. Cannot tell you how unhappy about that I am. Both the farmer and the PH had multiple properties taken from them from their government but that does not give them the right to poach.

Nathan, I know you said you were done, but I have a question. Is the landowner who is supposedly in hot water the person who reclaimed the land? If so, kind of wondering why it's not getting swept under the rug.

I think just because it was a famous lion and the whole world is pissed, there isn't a rug big enough..

Nathan, I know you said you were done, but I have a question. Is the landowner who is supposedly in hot water the person who reclaimed the land? If so, kind of wondering why it's not getting swept under the rug.

Now the USFWS is taking to Twitter to say they're trying to contact the dentist to investigate? No, no, they're not political at ALL.

They're happy if any lion is killed. Whole different set of priorities and all our American liberal righteous indignation isn't going to change that one whit.

Yeah that's crappy. Real crappy.

That is a new twist on things. Kind of scares me thinking that I might book a hunt in Zimbabwe and get there to hunt and not know who owns the land or if they are trespassing and poaching on it. I went through this with a hunt in Idaho where the outfitter took us on to several ranches that he did not have permission to hunt on, then to one that he did and told us it was the best area and where the best spots where. We found out that it was just a strip of private land next to the National Forrest and on opening day it was overrun with hunters, so we went to those other areas he had taken us to and got into a lot of trouble with the landowner. Probably the biggest disaster of a hunt I ever went on. Game Wardens believed us and eventually used our testimony in charging him, but because of his brother being a lawyer for the Governor, he bargained it all down to losing his outfitter license for a couple of years. This was just out of Soda Springs, ID

If it was me, I'd want them to investigate it. It is an international story AND we have an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe, but the crime has to be equal to a crime in the states. If he did nothing wrong, I'd trust the USFWS, before the Zimbabwe guvment. US AG is also investigating this.

If it was me, I'd want them to investigate it. It is an international story AND we have an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe, but the crime has to be equal to a crime in the states. If he did nothing wrong, I'd trust the USFWS, before the Zimbabwe guvment. US AG is also investigating this.