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#5846696 - 07/24/15 03:44 PM What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting
Obrien Offline
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I'd like to separate the rifle accuracy discussion from topic Big game hunting rifle and ammunition to keep the thread clean.



What do you consider an adequately accurate rifle for hunting in Texas condition? My assumption was that shooter shall be able to hit a heart of deer or pig in about 300 yards. If I approximate heart by sphere with radius of 3" it requires accuracy about 1MOA. Would you agree?

What accuracy (assuming user knows what he is doing and condition are about right) can be expected from rifles in $500, $1000, $2000 range with normal factory ammo?

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#5846703 - 07/24/15 03:50 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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I think your 3 inch expectation at 300 yards is beyond the vast majority of hunter/shooters ability, especially considering that a large majority have never shot or practiced at that distance from a bench much less a hunting situation.

I think there will be little change in the accuracy based on price point. some of the cheap rifles are great shooters.

I believe that most current factory rifles are plenty capable of the task, probably more so than the hunters.
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#5846706 - 07/24/15 03:54 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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IMO, pricing of the rifle is not as much of a factor, but more of the quality of the ammo you are feeding it. I can take loads that do not shoot very well in my high end competition 308 rifle ($4K+), and it shoot over moa. But feed it ammo that it likes and it is a legitimate 1 hole rifle. Take my Howa 1500 in 270 Win ($280 when I bought it) rifle and feed it good ammo developed for it, and I'm confident out to about 600 yards with it. But the weapon needs to be a system- Decent rifle, great ammo, and good scope. Then add the shooter. The shooter must be able to shoot this well, also. Then factor in the field conditions of shooting. Lots of variables to consider.
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#5846715 - 07/24/15 04:02 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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most say you need to be able to hit and 8 inch pie plate, i say 6inches . so so whatever distance you can consistently hit a 6 inch circle.

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#5846722 - 07/24/15 04:05 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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I've been on leases where several of the guys only shoot deer at 400+ yards...in the ear...with a .223...and they've taught all their children to do the same...down to 6 year-old junior. 'Course, I've never seen them actually bring a dead deer in. grin
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#5846725 - 07/24/15 04:08 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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A sphere with a radius of three inches has a six-inch diameter which equates to 2 MOA at 300 yards. The conventional wisdom (which sometimes really IS correct) says 2 MOA is sufficient for typical, traditional hunting.
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#5846748 - 07/24/15 04:26 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: RiverRider]
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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
A sphere with a radius of three inches has a six-inch diameter which equates to 2 MOA at 300 yards. The conventional wisdom (which sometimes really IS correct) says 2 MOA is sufficient for typical, traditional hunting.

Like RR, 2 MOA is my limit as to what is acceptable. I have a 300 yard range on the ranch that I live on and had to put up a 250 yard berm years ago because a lot of fellows think they can shoot 300 yards until they actually try.

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#5846751 - 07/24/15 04:28 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: RiverRider]
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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
A sphere with a radius of three inches has a six-inch diameter which equates to 2 MOA at 300 yards. The conventional wisdom (which sometimes really IS correct) says 2 MOA is sufficient for typical, traditional hunting.
Thanks! I mixed diameter and radius, Of course you are right!

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#5846758 - 07/24/15 04:35 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
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Thanks for the comment. As hand guns hooter I never paid that much attention to ammunition and usually just used the factory ammo. When you are training for hitting the alpha from handgun on 15 yards, the issue is in the hand of the shooter not in the gun or ammo.

Now when I'm getting into hunting and more range shooting I will have to pay way more attention to that. My point was that shooting skill can be learned and different ammo can be bought but you need to know where is you goal and what are the limits of the rifle.

Until recent posts in previous topic I did not consider that rifle can be limitation in accuracy for these distances (up to 300 yards). I though that is just shooting skills and training with given set up. That is why I was thinking about rifle in range of $500 and spend rest on scope, ammo and training. Now I'm not sure if it will be enough smile

Last week I tried the hunting rifle in 30-06 with the scope for the first time in my life and I was hitting in about 4-3" group on 200 yards quite consistently. So half way there... Still I would believe that would be a dead deer.

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#5846779 - 07/24/15 04:48 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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Ammo is why I mentioned in that thread that load workup can run more than a bargain rifle if the gun is being finicky. I know I;ve gone North of $400 in a 7mag that just wouldn't shoot 140gr accubonds. Some of that was me just being stubborn because I had a case of bullets and wanted it to shoot what the 7/08s shot. There really isn't a blanket rule on "typical texas hunting". I'm supposed to be limited by thick brush and pine trees on my shot range, but that's just not the case.

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#5846799 - 07/24/15 04:59 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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1) I wouldn't go with anything smaller than a 7mm-08. Smaller calibers will definitely kill a deer, but why make things any more difficult for yourself. I'm a Tikka t3 fan.
2) A heart shot is OK, but the heart on a deer is low, if you shoot too low, he's gone, even if you hit the heart he can still run a ways and in thick thorny brush that can be a real problem. The shoulder area gives you a shot that can pin him to the spot where he was shot. It also gives you a bigger safe kill area as there is backbone, lungs, top of heart,liver, etc. in the area.I like to aim for the bullet to exit the far shoulder, that works well for me.
3) Unless you just want to, there is seldom a need to shoot over 200 yards at a deer in Texas. If you can hit a 4" circle at 200 yards using an improvised rest, I think you would be plenty proficient with your rifle to go hunting with confidence. Closer than 200 yards your accuracy will improve dramatically so if you can wait for a closer shot, it will pay big dividends.

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#5846870 - 07/24/15 06:00 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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Rem. 700, most Savages, Tikka and Weatherby will give you the accuracy you need right out of the box. To get the best accuracy you will need to buy about a dozen boxes of ammo and test for the best (I truly wish there was a company that offered "test packages", 5 different rounds in a 20 round box). For this reason, if you want the best accuracy possible, I highly recommend Chad at Dallas Custom Reloads. He will work up loads for your rifle, range test them, and come up with the best load for your rifle, at less cost than the dozen boxes you might buy. His pricing on loads is competitive with 'off the shelf' ammo and you are getting the best for your gun.


Edited by P_102 (07/24/15 06:02 PM)
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#5846884 - 07/24/15 06:14 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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I agree with going with custom loads instead of buying 5 boxes at $50 to find the right one. With today's rifles and ammo I would expect .75 if you do your part

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#5846911 - 07/24/15 06:27 PM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: Obrien]
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It all depends upon where you are hunting. In most areas of Texas, you'd be in good shape with a 30-30 lever gun that can shoot into 3-4 inches at 100 yards.

Out west, there are more long shots, and at bigger critters. In that case, you'd want both more accuracy and more power.



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#5849831 - 07/27/15 07:36 AM Re: What does it mean accurate rifle for general texas hunting [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Chad, can you share your .270 load? That sounds interesting, I have been working with my .270 and haven't gotten the perfect OAL load combination yet.

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