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#5834135 - 07/16/15 09:30 AM .224 70+grain bullets
langehaar Offline


Registered: 01/31/09
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Good day.
I was wanting opinions on heavier .224 caliber bullets.
I am looking at reloading my 5.6 vom hofe and due to the high velocity of this cartridge(2800 to 3300fps depending on load) the type of bullet must have a heavy jacket and cannot be lead free.... the guy that is offering to bump the .224 to .227 says the copper solid bullets are too tough to swage.
I have been looking on line for Norma .224 Oryx 70 grain bullets to use but they are quite hard to find.
Nosler makes a partitions in .224 but they are only 60 grain.
Hornady does make a .227 bullet but due to the high velocity they tend to come apart once leaving the muzzle.
Any information or bullet sources for 70 grain and higher weight besides the obvious such as Midway would be greatly appreciated!
thanks in advance!

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#5834143 - 07/16/15 09:34 AM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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sierra makes a 75gr scirocco and its bonded

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#5834162 - 07/16/15 09:44 AM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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The sirocco is from Swift, and is probably the first bullet to try. It shoots well in my fast twist 22-250, but I've yet to take any game with it.
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#5834192 - 07/16/15 10:19 AM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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Lots of good choices in the 70+ range. Berger, Hornady, Sierra, and more. Depends on what you're looking for, i.e. hunting, target, both, etc. Also make sure that you have a fast enough twist to run them. That'll be critical I would think... even with the swaging.

That said, I did a quick check on google for 22 Savage HP bullets and found several. Huntington's specifically has .228 bullets in a 70 gr. soft point, 100 ct box. They're only $37.00 which is about the going rate for such things anyway. If you're not US based, obviously that's probably a no go but I thought I'd throw it out there.

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#5834199 - 07/16/15 10:26 AM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: syncerus]
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Originally Posted By: syncerus
The sirocco is from Swift, and is probably the first bullet to try. It shoots well in my fast twist 22-250, but I've yet to take any game with it.
opps

Yelp swift.

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#5834330 - 07/16/15 11:35 AM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
langehaar Offline


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I appreciate e the quick response.
I am in North Texas... sometimes I wish I was in Germany because I could easily get the cartridges over there and plus it is much cooler over there this time of year. Forming the cases from 25-06 brass has been a challenge to say the least and finding appropriate bullets has not been easy. I did find some old stock Sisk 70 grain bullets and bought them up but was hoping to find some readily available bullets that will meet the velocity. I did purchase some of the Hornady bullets but they cannot handle the velocity as many sources on the web say they disintegrate. My intent now is to use the Hornady bullets to fire form the cases.
I'll research the Scirrocos and hopefully the jacket is heavy enough to perform.
Has any one used .224 bonded bullets such as the Nosler partition 60 grain on deer? any one know about the 77 grain Lapua Scenars? They might be an option....
My intent is to use the rifle on deer in Llano which aren't that big.
the bullets just cannot be lead free due to the swaging process.
Thanks again to all of the responses.

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#5835014 - 07/16/15 05:49 PM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: BOBO the Clown]
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Originally Posted By: BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted By: syncerus
The sirocco is from Swift, and is probably the first bullet to try. It shoots well in my fast twist 22-250, but I've yet to take any game with it.
opps

Yelp swift.


Very good game bullet, have used it in a 22-243 27inch Hart barrel running 3200fps it has done well on deer and hogs. I could push it faster but it shoots really well there and has worked on critters from 10 yards to over 200. Haven't recovered a bullet yet as all have exited. Thought I might when I shot a buck at 10 yards through the shoulders but still exited with about 1.5 inch hole.

The 60gr Partition is very deadly even when started at 3600fps and have yet to recover one of those but did have one somewhere in a 180lb hogs gut after entering through the top of the neck on a head on shot from about 150 yards.
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#5835052 - 07/16/15 06:11 PM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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I like the 65 grain Sierra Game Kings. Great bullet for deer and Hogs.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/199027/...tail-box-of-100

The 70 grain Speer Semi-Spitzer is good too under 150 meters because the BC is so poor, which is fine for a lot of Texas hunting.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/126472/...tzer-box-of-100

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#5835409 - 07/16/15 09:34 PM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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Exactly how does a .224 work in a .228 application?

Will the depth of rifling have enough bite on the bullet?

Will there be enough drag in the barrel to get enough pressure to get the velocity expected in this ancient hot rod?
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#5835758 - 07/17/15 08:29 AM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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I know a guy with a special die that he takes .224 boat tail bullets and swages them up to .227.
Due to the amount of force involved, non lead bullets(copper solids) cannot be swaged.
When I bought the rifle off of gunbroker, it was advertised as a 6.5 but it wasn't.
I had to do a chamber cast to figure out what the chamber was.
By the codes on the barrel, it was made in 1940. By the condition of the rifling, it might not ever had been shot-- which is not surprising considering it was made in Germany at the start of WW2.
here is a pic

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#5835769 - 07/17/15 08:35 AM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
langehaar Offline


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I know a guy with a special die that he takes .224 boat tail bullets and swages them up to .227.
Due to the amount of force involved, non lead bullets(copper solids) cannot be swaged.
When I bought the rifle off of gunbroker, it was advertised as a 6.5 but it wasn't.
I had to do a chamber cast to figure out what the chamber was.
By the codes on the barrel, it was made in 1940. By the condition of the rifling, it might not ever had been shot-- which is not surprising considering it was made in Germany at the start of WW2.
here is a pic

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#5835877 - 07/17/15 09:42 AM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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I understand now. With your constraints, the 65 grain Sierra Game Kings may be your best choice. I looked for a custom bullet maker making a large SP, but didn't find any.
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#5836192 - 07/17/15 12:53 PM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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If your planning to hunt anything in the deer size range with it I wouldn't definitely lean more toward the partition/sirocco type bullets.
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#5836208 - 07/17/15 01:08 PM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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After thinking about this a little further I'm going to concur with Dan. I also want to add that swaging up something like a Swift, will likely be worse than say a Barnes. The metals are bonded together, and I remember Swifts being pretty stout. I'm "guessing" air quotes... that swaging up (i.e. smashing the bullets down so that they increase in diameter... if this is really even feasible) is really only going to be possible with an old school cup and core type bullet.

Going back to my previous... there are other choices/options that I think will be MUCH better than swaging up. Normally you only swage down.

Have a look at some of these. They're seasonal, but it atleast means that they're out there.

Hornady .227 bullets

Huntingtons

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#5836323 - 07/17/15 02:57 PM Re: .224 70+grain bullets [Re: langehaar]
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My understanding is that the "cool kids" of the period really favored the caliber for chamois hunting.
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