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#5832303 - 07/14/15 08:13 PM English Setters
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I need some info on English Setters. How easy are they to train, how are they in the field and would I be making a mistake on purchasing one over a EP that is at the same training level and age? Thanks in advance!!!!!

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#5832819 - 07/15/15 09:41 AM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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As with all hunting breeds it is hard to stereotype English setters as so many variables come into play. It would be helpful to know more of what type of range you are looking for, what you will be hunting, and some pedigree info. to provide you with some feedback. I will say the obvious difference is the hair, some people just don't want to deal with the grooming. Personally it is not a big deal to me, been doing it so long it is less than 10 minutes about every other month.

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#5832844 - 07/15/15 10:06 AM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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I think generally speaking would be a good term for what I'm looking for and should have posted that to begin with. I know each dog will be different, no matter what breed but wanted to get an idea if the majority of ES can be compared to EP or even GSP. I have no experience in bird dogs other than the knuckle head GSP I have. Thanks folks.

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#5833039 - 07/15/15 01:02 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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I always heard those shags were excellent at backing pointers. roflmao
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#5833081 - 07/15/15 01:32 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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I've only had one setter. She was not as productive as my worst pointer.
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#5833093 - 07/15/15 01:36 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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Go ask three hunting guides in your area what they run and prefer, then you can tell us.

I love to watch field bred setters work. They are gorgeous. Have been around some good ones. It has been my admittedly limited experience, that they are softer, and tend to take longer to come around than pointers do.

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#5833275 - 07/15/15 04:21 PM Re: English Setters [Re: bobcat1]
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Originally Posted By: bobcat1
I always heard those shags were excellent at backing pointers. roflmao


Be careful now. I have two setters right now that I will put up against any pointer and more than hold my own in the field. My female is so competitive that if she has to back once, I guarantee you that she will have the next 3 finds and I don't care what flavor dog is in the field. I love pointers and I have had a lot of them, but these two setters are the greatest I have ever owned. My two are bird finding fools, single focused. Let me know this season if you want to test my opinion of these setters. We are game!

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#5833321 - 07/15/15 04:56 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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Hold up folks, didn't intend for this to be competition, just wanted to know some opinions about the dogs you have owned or hunted behind to assist me in the search for a started dog. But thanks for the input.

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#5833327 - 07/15/15 05:02 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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I went setter this time, hard headed pushy and a PIA. In other words a bird dog puppy. Love him to death.
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#5833358 - 07/15/15 05:26 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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How good of dog you get depends on the hours it can spend in the field and time spent training your dog. This is an area where beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Also from your post I believe you need a dog that can train you, and I am not being mean but their is no substitute for experience.


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#5833453 - 07/15/15 06:28 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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I agree 100%, I have no experience training a bird dog, and have only 44 miles walking behind my GSP per my GPS UNIT so I'm open to all opinions. THANKS FOR THE FEED BACK.

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#5833514 - 07/15/15 07:22 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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I was just joking about the setters. I've seen some great ones handled by EJ Hall and Harold Ellis that were flat out awesome.
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#5835446 - 07/16/15 09:55 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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Catch Dog, you can't go wrong with an ES. In my opinion today's setter is much better than grandpaws. We've been running setters in walking and horseback trials for 5 yrs now and I tell you they can run as big and find as many birds as any pointing breed. Setters today are not as soft as the ones I had back in the early 80's. With the success of 3xNat Ch Shadow Oak Bo in the field trial world I believe there will more setters in the bird fields and at the big trials. I've personally had my hands on 4 of his offspring and I promise you they are tough birddogs with great noises. Can't go wrong with a English Setter.

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#5837177 - 07/18/15 10:13 AM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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I have a EP, a GSP and a Setter Lewelleyn and the setter has grown up with me and gets better every season. The EP is a furious retriever and the GSP is a long lasting very game bird finder. The Setter is moving up on both of the older dogs who came to me trained. The setter is my favorite as she is so affectionate and easy to correct. Just my thoughts.

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#5837729 - 07/18/15 06:39 PM Re: English Setters [Re: Catch Dog]
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