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NFA item trust submissions...... #5827818 07/11/15 11:17 PM
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I'm close to the 4 month mark waiting for my next can, I just keep thinking about how inefficient this process is. I file with a trust for convenience purposes. I can understand for the first time a trust is submitted needing to look over things with a fine tooth comb but the ATF could really save some time and streamline things if a trust has already been submitted and reviewed previously. There really is no need to review everything if there are no changes to the trust other than items added. That way items could be expedited and overall times would get shorter since the number of applications needing thorough review would go down.....ok rant over, I just really wish this process could be streamlined, it would be better for all involved.

Oh and we need a NFA forum.

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You're dealing with the government. It's a case of mind over matter: they don't mind and you don't matter.


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Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
I'm close to the 4 month mark waiting for my next can, I just keep thinking about how inefficient this process is. I file with a trust for convenience purposes. I can understand for the first time a trust is submitted needing to look over things with a fine tooth comb but the ATF could really save some time and streamline things if a trust has already been submitted and reviewed previously. There really is no need to review everything if there are no changes to the trust other than items added. That way items could be expedited and overall times would get shorter since the number of applications needing thorough review would go down.....ok rant over, I just really wish this process could be streamlined, it would be better for all involved.

Oh and we need a NFA forum.


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Re: NFA item trust submissions...... [Re: krmitchell] #5828238 07/12/15 05:49 AM
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To be honest I doubt they even read the trust. My guess is they have someone sitting in a cubicle with a stack of about 1,000 applications.....they go through probably 10 per day because I'm sure there is no incentive for working harder or smarter. It takes a long time because of the volume.

Oh yeah, and think about your average government agency and their extreme inefficiency and what you get is a four month wait.

x2 on the need for an NFA forum.

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The waiting part sucks!

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Or they could follow the 2nd Amendment and do away with the NFA.


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Originally Posted By: DocHorton
To be honest I doubt they even read the trust. My guess is they have someone sitting in a cubicle with a stack of about 1,000 applications.....they go through probably 10 per day because I'm sure there is no incentive for working harder or smarter. It takes a long time because of the volume.

Oh yeah, and think about your average government agency and their extreme inefficiency and what you get is a four month wait.

x2 on the need for an NFA forum.


Wrong....they indeed read the trust. Several rejects are because of the trust is not set-up correctly.


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Re: NFA item trust submissions...... [Re: krmitchell] #5828337 07/12/15 01:30 PM
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What if during the application process for your second silencer they decided they didn't want to approve of your trust, what would be the status of your first silencer and stamp?

Re: NFA item trust submissions...... [Re: krmitchell] #5828349 07/12/15 01:38 PM
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Yes, its pitiful! A application should take no time to do. Im sure they do a basic nics check, but then it takes some goon lawyer who gets payed way to much to look thru the trust. Im a couple months into another suppressor also, it was only taking three months when i sent the application in, but of course the times have been growing and growing. Big bloated goverment at its finest!

Re: NFA item trust submissions...... [Re: krmitchell] #5828425 07/12/15 03:14 PM
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Lol you guys complaining about 3-4 month wait time don't know what waiting is. I waited 1 year and 3 months for my first suppressor and sbr stamps. Talk about being pissed off at the process.

I know what you're saying though this process is so flawed it ain't funny. We shouldn't have to jump through any o these hoops for something that makes our guns hearing safe. Our government is ran by a bunch of idiots.


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Times have dramatically been better . I too waited a year on my first can .... Quit ur cryin ... Lol

And yes they do look at the trust , at least now they do . Just had a form 4 sent back for a trust I have two items on all ready ...

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Ok, good comments so far.....since I know the one thing that motivates the government is getting their money, you would have to assume more submissions if the waiting time was quicker. More submissions equals more money for them.

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Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Ok, good comments so far.....since I know the one thing that motivates the government is getting their money, you would have to assume more submissions if the waiting time was quicker. More submissions equals more money for them.
You are missing the point. The government would have to fire people if they became more efficient. They're actually motivated to be inefficient.

They're obviously not worried about missing out on items. Look at how many folks just on this forum pay big money and deal with long waits just for the right to pay even bigger money for the items. I'm not sure how you guys afford it, but the wait times aren't an issue for me - the prices are.

Lastly, you're assuming the government wants to make it easier on gun owners to get gun stuff. That's just not the case.

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Big money? Suppressors are actually pretty reasonably priced, starting at just over 200$ for .22 cans.

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To be honest I doubt they even read the trust. My guess is they have someone sitting in a cubicle with a stack of about 1,000 applications.....they go through probably 10 per day because I'm sure there is no incentive for working harder or smarter. It takes a long time because of the volume.

Oh yeah, and think about your average government agency and their extreme inefficiency and what you get is a four month wait.

x2 on the need for an NFA forum.


Wrong....they indeed read the trust. Several rejects are because of the trust is not set-up correctly.


That surprises me, I didn't figure they would read all of them considering the examiners are probably not all attorneys.

For what specific reason did they find the trust to be not set up properly and therefore reject the application?

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The wait times are so long for us because the ATF only has 2 agents that review all submissions from Texas and Louisana. The ATF assigns agents to "regions". Other regions that have fewer submissions will have shorter wait times....

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Originally Posted By: Precision_Shooter
The wait times are so long for us because the ATF only has 2 agents that review all submissions from Texas and Louisana. The ATF assigns agents to "regions". Other regions that have fewer submissions will have shorter wait times....


Interesting information. Good to know.

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Originally Posted By: DocHorton
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Originally Posted By: DocHorton
To be honest I doubt they even read the trust. My guess is they have someone sitting in a cubicle with a stack of about 1,000 applications.....they go through probably 10 per day because I'm sure there is no incentive for working harder or smarter. It takes a long time because of the volume.

Oh yeah, and think about your average government agency and their extreme inefficiency and what you get is a four month wait.

x2 on the need for an NFA forum.


Wrong....they indeed read the trust. Several rejects are because of the trust is not set-up correctly.


That surprises me, I didn't figure they would read all of them considering the examiners are probably not all attorneys.

For what specific reason did they find the trust to be not set up properly and therefore reject the application?


Agreed and I too would like to know reason for rejection.

One thing I don't agree with is us needing an NFA forum. I don't need something else to click on here and it fits here and makes sense to me.


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They used to have examiners assigned to regions, now it's whoever desk it falls on.

Read number 2
http://www.silencershop.com/atf-wait-times

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I waited a year for my first suppressor. 4 months is nothing.
And suppressors are NOT reasonably priced. In some countries they are $100 out the door and you can get them anywhere. They are useless without a gun so no need to regulate a suppressor.


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Originally Posted By: huntandfish
They used to have examiners assigned to regions, now it's whoever desk it falls on.

Read number 2
http://www.silencershop.com/atf-wait-times


When was that updated? AFIK they stopped assigning agents by region and brought in extra help for a short time to get through a 80,000+ backlog of applications in the first couple months of this year, but from what I have been told be local dealers is they are back to business as usual with agents assigned to regions... But I'm willing to be wrong on that...

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I recently submitted my first Form 1 for my SBR build. Should I call and request status or just wait it out? Id like to know asap if there is an issue with my form or trust so I can get it fixed and I hear they notify you by snail mail if there is a problem. I submitted on June 26th.

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After you call a few times they seem to get a little irritated. I'm exactly 4 months in on a form 4 trust.

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