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Re: Poaching Game Warden [Re: Western] #5826167 07/10/15 05:38 PM
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[quote=Double Naught Spy]... Gives the term on the License plate, "EXEMPT", a whole new meaning.


I am thinking same thing. The agent will look better in public eyes if they claim their guys get a free permit as part of benefit package.
Just make sure it is the combo permit.

I start to understand why the warden is not fired. Because TWPD will likely have to terminate half of its work force if they enforce such a strict penalty.

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You can pray for who you want to, but Fried accepted $$ to help offset his expenses of being shot while performing illegal activity that he was sworn to protect against.

rifleman is right. A lot less people would have been as generous had it been presented as Donate to Warden who was shot while poaching. Fried knew it. Fellow wardens knew it. His family knew it. The poaching biologist knew it.

Accepting money under such dubious circumstances is deceitful.


Almost fraud..........

I wish THF and other Texas hunting groups, would petition the TP&W and Governor Abbot to terminate this Warden and the supervisory staff that accepted this behavior. Them condoning this because it is the "standard used against civilians" is IMO, BS. He is not a civilian in his capacity and what he was involved in. I am former LEO and this stinks to high heavens. Gives the term on the License plate, "EXEMPT", a whole new meaning.


It's probably better if you contact your state reps yourself. Of course, how many of us actually will?? I just did.


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Originally Posted By: Western
[quote=Double Naught Spy]... Gives the term on the License plate, "EXEMPT", a whole new meaning.


I am thinking same thing. The agent will look better in public eyes if they claim their guys get a free permit as part of benefit package.
Just make sure it is the combo permit.

I start to understand why the warden is not fired. Because TWPD will likely have to terminate half of its work force if they enforce such a strict penalty.


I'm not exactly sure how that's a problem.


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Wardens are about to be able to legally "poach" thousands of deer. BIG ones. And they don't wand anyone filming it...


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You can pray for who you want to, but Fried accepted $$ to help offset his expenses of being shot while performing illegal activity that he was sworn to protect against.

rifleman is right. A lot less people would have been as generous had it been presented as Donate to Warden who was shot while poaching. Fried knew it. Fellow wardens knew it. His family knew it. The poaching biologist knew it.

Accepting money under such dubious circumstances is deceitful.


Almost fraud..........

I wish THF and other Texas hunting groups, would petition the TP&W and Governor Abbot to terminate this Warden and the supervisory staff that accepted this behavior. Them condoning this because it is the "standard used against civilians" is IMO, BS. He is not a civilian in his capacity and what he was involved in. I am former LEO and this stinks to high heavens. Gives the term on the License plate, "EXEMPT", a whole new meaning.


It's probably better if you contact your state reps yourself. Of course, how many of us actually will?? I just did.

I email my rep.


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You can pray for who you want to, but Fried accepted $$ to help offset his expenses of being shot while performing illegal activity that he was sworn to protect against.

rifleman is right. A lot less people would have been as generous had it been presented as Donate to Warden who was shot while poaching. Fried knew it. Fellow wardens knew it. His family knew it. The poaching biologist knew it.

Accepting money under such dubious circumstances is deceitful.


Almost fraud..........

I wish THF and other Texas hunting groups, would petition the TP&W and Governor Abbot to terminate this Warden and the supervisory staff that accepted this behavior. Them condoning this because it is the "standard used against civilians" is IMO, BS. He is not a civilian in his capacity and what he was involved in. I am former LEO and this stinks to high heavens. Gives the term on the License plate, "EXEMPT", a whole new meaning.


It's probably better if you contact your state reps yourself. Of course, how many of us actually will?? I just did.


Good idea Rusty, I also think organizations like THF, with a membership (signed petition), gets noticed more than individual complaints.


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This just sent to all my Reps of both districts I have property in...copy if you like.

Dear Sirs,

I write to you concerning the apparent impropriety of the TPWD and its dealings with GW Fried. As a citizen that does business that is regulated by TPWD, the reports of GW Fried's poaching numerous times and that of his fellow employees doing the same has me concerned for the integrity of the agency and the industry.

The example set by GW Fried is bad enough. We have dealt with our fair share of poachers in this area, and it is a very frustrating ordeal. Now to learn that those authorized to enforce game laws are taking part in the same illegal behavior, only leads me to believe his behavior will embolden poachers. The appearance of how things were handled gives the impression that he got away with it with only a slap on the wrist. To most poachers, if they were to receive the same treatment, it would be no deterrent at all. At the very least he should have been removed from the TPWD force. How can anyone, superiors and civilians alike, ever trust a law enforcer who breaks the very laws he enforces? All those who guide for me, or enter my property, know full well they will be removed and/or lose their employment if I catch them breaking game laws, much less the Game Warden.

On top of this, TPWD resources were used to raise money for GW Fried's hospital bills and recovery. In my estimation fraud was committed in doing so. Reports explain that Fried confessed, while laying in his hospital bed, to poaching moments before he was shot. Yet this information was kept quiet and fund raising was conducted with this full knowledge. I suggest a full investigation be made into the matters and restitution be made to those that contributed.

In this day and age of heightened scrutiny of enforcement agencies, issues like these must be handled with the utmost integrity. I do not believe the TPWD has done so in these matters.

We Texas hunters pride ourselves on being upstanding members of a long held Texan tradition. We in the industry of hunting strive to keep our profession up held in an honorable light. I'm afraid the TPWD has just given Texas hunting and hunters a big black eye.

Thank you for your time.

Faithfully Texan,
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I also think organizations like THF, with a membership (signed petition), gets noticed more than individual complaints.


That's an excellent idea.

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This just sent to all my Reps of both districts I have property in...copy if you like.

Dear Sirs,

I write to you concerning the apparent impropriety of the TPWD and its dealings with GW Fried. As a citizen that does business that is regulated by TPWD, the reports of GW Fried's poaching numerous times and that of his fellow employees doing the same has me concerned for the integrity of the agency and the industry.

The example set by GW Fried is bad enough. We have dealt with our fair share of poachers in this area, and it is a very frustrating ordeal. Now to learn that those authorized to enforce game laws are taking part in the same illegal behavior, only leads me to believe his behavior will embolden poachers. The appearance of how things were handled gives the impression that he got away with it with only a slap on the wrist. To most poachers, if they were to receive the same treatment, it would be no deterrent at all. At the very least he should have been removed from the TPWD force. How can anyone, superiors and civilians alike, ever trust a law enforcer who breaks the very laws he enforces? All those who guide for me, or enter my property, know full well they will be removed and/or lose their employment if I catch them breaking game laws, much less the Game Warden.

On top of this, TPWD resources were used to raise money for GW Fried's hospital bills and recovery. In my estimation fraud was committed in doing so. Reports explain that Fried confessed, while laying in his hospital bed, to poaching moments before he was shot. Yet this information was kept quiet and fund raising was conducted with this full knowledge. I suggest a full investigation be made into the matters and restitution be made to those that contributed.

In this day and age of heightened scrutiny of enforcement agencies, issues like these must be handled with the utmost integrity. I do not believe the TPWD has done so in these matters.

We Texas hunters pride ourselves on being upstanding members of a long held Texan tradition. We in the industry of hunting strive to keep our profession up held in an honorable light. I'm afraid the TPWD has just given Texas hunting and hunters a big black eye.

Thank you for your time.

Faithfully Texan,
Steve Valentine


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So what amounts to a class C misdemeanor takes away his right to have fund raisers done to offset medical and living expenses? Damn, that's cold.


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Than I'm cold. Because it sure should take away his privilege to use agency resources to do so. No one has the right to defraud another out of money without full disclosure. BTW, when are we going to stop making up rights?


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I've seen people have fund raisers for a whole lot harder to justify reasons. Not saying he probably shouldn't move on to another line of work though.


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Than I'm cold. Because it sure should take away his privilege to use agency resources to do so. No one has the right to defraud another out of money without full disclosure. BTW, when are we going to stop making up rights?


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I've seen people have fund raisers for a whole lot harder to justify reasons. Not saying he probably shouldn't move on to another line of work though.


Sure, he is allowed to have fundraisers, but would you have donated to the poaching game warden? I wouldn't have. People here that actually donated to him said they wouldn't have. Should his fellow game wardens have used their influence and stood behind one of their own who was committing a cardinal sin for game wardens?

That's the problem. He knew the law. Knew he was in the wrong. Had done it three other times. Called his buddy to save him and it turns out his buddy also poached. A year and a half ago, it was a game warden that was shot while he was out hunting and thought he heard poachers. Who wouldn't rally around that? Of course it makes a difference.

He lied. He deceived. His fellow wardens used their clout to raise funds for him knowing he had broken the law multiple times. It isn't a gray area that what he did was a horrendous abuse of his position. He was then able to apply for workers comp, get his job back and people rushed to his aid based on him being a good guy.


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I've seen people have fund raisers for a whole lot harder to justify reasons. Not saying he probably shouldn't move on to another line of work though.

And so have I, but mercy in no way removes responsibility or consequence.

Sometime I wish it did, but it just ain't so.


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So what amounts to a class C misdemeanor takes away his right to have fund raisers done to offset medical and living expenses? Damn, that's cold.


I think what you meant to say was ...3 class C misdemeanors and 1 felony that was reduced down to a single count...

Nobody said he could not have fundraiser and you know it. What people are unhappy about is that not only did he break the specific laws he was sworn to uphold, he only admitted to breaking the law when circumstances were such that it was apparent he would be discovered, and then he and his ilk were deceitful in revealing such negative attributes because it was not in their favor to take advantage of good-hearted people who might be willing to donate MONEY. Playing on the sympathies of others in a deceitful manner is the work of the lowest level of scoundrel.

You know what I find so ironic is that Fried, while POACHING, heard gun shots and suspected another poacher and went to bust the other poacher. But that isn't what this fundraiser announcement says. It says he was HUNTING and left his stand to investigate.

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"Chris Fried, a Texas Game Warden, was bow hunting on Sunday, December 29th, in the Cooper Wildlife Management Area near Sulphur Springs. During his hunt he observed suspicious activity. Thinking someone might be illegally hunting on the state property, Chris' law enforcement training kicked in and he left his stand to investigate.


or how about this one...
http://texags.com/forums/12/topics/2435356

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One of our own was shot in line of duty serving our great State. Chris Fried '07 is a Texas Game Warden and was shot early this month. Since he was off duty during the incident (even though he was responding to local problem) him and his family do not get the full benefit of Texas's offered services to wounded uniform officers. Chris and his family need the Aggie network to help them in this time of need.


or this one...
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Two men were recently arrested and booked into the Delta County Jail in Cooper in connection with the shooting of Chris Fried, , who was injured while bow hunting in the federal Wildlife Management Area east of Cooper Lake.


Again noted here, he was "bowhunting" when he observed illegal activity, NOT he was engaged in illegal activity when he observed other illegal activity. http://www.wave3.com/story/24430515/fundraiser-set-up-for-etx-game-warden

NONE of these benefits referred to Fried as a Double Standard Poaching Game Warden who was unhappy about other possible poachers encroaching on his turf. Nope, Fried is billed as an upstanding individual who while off duty, took time away from his own hunt (never mind it was already after legal hunting hours when he left his stand) to investigate possible criminal activity as a law enforcement officer and was nearly killed by individuals in the process.


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No that's not what I meant. He wasn't given any less punishment than any other person with those violations in that county. His legal violations were given fair treatment. However his employer has left the question of ethical standards answered with a poor answer. Which basically is, they don't care because it doesn't matter.


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And just because he told them he had done it twice previously doesn't mean he was charged with three counts. He was "caught" only the one time.


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Several times over the years I worked with people who had violations that should have resulted in dismissal. Some were DWIs which causes you to lose your driving privilege for two years. Some were they just kept violating policy and procedure. Often they kept their job because we were short handed and they were a body. Or maybe they were really good at what they did and it was worth the hassle to keep them. Usually a kind hearted manager intervened and kept them employed.

Most times though it was a temporary situation. A few realized their direction needed to change and made the changes needed. Most ended up with enough rope they were finally given an opportunity to find another career.

It may be that his supervisors have had past similar incidents in the past we are unaware of and that is how it was handled so a precedent was set so now they are being fair under the rules according to them. It's also possible this may be the slap in the head that wakes this guy up and makes him see why it's important he maintain a higher standard and changes his life and career to the positive.


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I used to write and enforce policy and procedure for a large company. I know all about leniency and second chances (Lord knows I've received my unfair share of it); but this is not a policy and procedure matter...he broke the law he is charged to uphold.

You don't keep a thief in the position of vault security.




The examples you use are also in the realm of private business. This is a public matter, and like it or not, there is and must be a higher standard. This, "short handed" excuse holds no water either. There are a thousand (figurative, for I do not know the exact number) eligible recruits and would be recruits standing in line hoping for an opportunity to join the ranks of upstanding GWs.

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You don't keep a thief in the position of vault security.

That's the way it should be.

However, if you're not concerned with performance, or the resource your organization is charged with protecting, if you consider yourself above the lowly subjects you are requiring to obey your laws, or if you are running an organization rife with people who violate the laws they are sworn to uphold...

Then yes, you might keep the "thief in charge of the vault".

And that describes today's tpwd perfectly. We need a serious housecleaning in Austin.


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And just because he told them he had done it twice previously doesn't mean he was charged with three counts. He was "caught" only the one time.


He finally fessed up to poaching. He wasn't caught in the act the time he got shot, either. Give me a break. He wasn't charged the other times because he got away with it. After being shot, he realized that explaining why he was bow hunting after hours and not having a pass/license would be impossible. He also fessed up to doing it three other times. They couldn't charge him because he wasn't caught the other three times.

As for his legal violations being given fair treatment, I, and a lot of other people, apparently, believe he should be held to a higher standard, since his entire job is to enforce the game laws he was violating. He should not have been given the same treatment precisely because he is a game warden AND he admitted to doing it three other times. Can't charge for all the violations he wasn't caught, but it can be used to determine his punishment. And one instance of poaching is enough to be fired. DEA agents caught selling drugs would be fired, I hope. This is no different.


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Thief in charge of the vault or fox in the hen house, he ADMITTED to multiple violations of the code he is supposed to uphold. He should be fired.


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