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 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 12:30 AM
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"It is the same boiling water that softens the rice, which hardens the egg." It's not always about the circumstances, but what you are made of....
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 01:00 AM
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 01:31 AM
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1 in 700 so kill all 700  I'm guessing under that theory why stop there.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 01:46 AM
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Sucks. I guess that stuff spreads through a herd like wild fire?
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 02:03 AM
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1 in 700 so kill all 700 I'm guessing under that theory why stop there. "800 deer on his three farms covering more than 200 acres" Think it is stocked a little rich?
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 02:36 AM
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Yoder farms have produced some of the largest northern whitetail I have ever seen. "Redoy Bill" to name one. I can understand a quarantine of the farm which is highfenced to monitor the herd upon the discovery of 1 infected deer, but to kill the whole herd as a percaution. Im not sure if the containment of the deer within a highfence can prevent the spread of CWD to the wild deer but if so what is the purpose of killing an entire herd which could be easily monitored.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 02:57 AM
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Yoder farms have produced some of the largest northern whitetail I have ever seen. "Redoy Bill" to name one. I can understand a quarantine of the farm which is highfenced to monitor the herd upon the discovery of 1 infected deer, but to kill the whole herd as a percaution. Im not sure if the containment of the deer within a highfence can prevent the spread of CWD to the wild deer but if so what is the purpose of killing an entire herd which could be easily monitored. There is no approved live animal test for CWD( although there is one in development) so infected animals are shedding the infectious prions before symptoms appear. Those prions are bio-active for a long time creating an infectious hot spot, there is no known way to disinfect such a spot other than time, that's the theory any way. There is one herd, that is CWD positive, that they are experimentally monitoring for research purposes to see if something less than total depopulation is appropriate. Current practice is depopulation and quarantine for five years.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 05:59 AM
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Great Information nsmike, thank you!
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 10:08 AM
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Meh. All this should be on livestock/ag forum instead of a hunting forum.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 10:37 AM
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Meh. All this should be on livestock/ag forum instead of a hunting forum. Well there sure ain't much difference in the method of operation you have to admit that.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 10:38 AM
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Seems like Yoder wasn't cooperating with ODNR and there was an indication of deer "escaping" into the wild?
"It is the same boiling water that softens the rice, which hardens the egg." It's not always about the circumstances, but what you are made of....
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 10:40 AM
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Great Information nsmike, thank you! X2
"It is the same boiling water that softens the rice, which hardens the egg." It's not always about the circumstances, but what you are made of....
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 06:59 PM
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Meh. All this should be on livestock/ag forum instead of a hunting forum. But it's not, won't be and you don't own this site so move along.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 07:00 PM
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Seems like Yoder wasn't cooperating with ODNR and there was an indication of deer "escaping" into the wild? No he killed a deer and didn't report it.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 07:01 PM
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Seems like Yoder wasn't cooperating with ODNR and there was an indication of deer "escaping" into the wild? No he killed a deer and didn't report it. Why didn't he report it??? That is the 500 deer question. 
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 07:07 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Seems like Yoder wasn't cooperating with ODNR and there was an indication of deer "escaping" into the wild? No he killed a deer and didn't report it. Why didn't he report it??? That is the 500 deer question. From my understanding and was during the initial quarantine. Hunter killed it and kept the horn and carcass was destroyed on site(it's kind of fuzzy, not a whole lot of info on it). Sounds like it's an agruement of intruptitation. Because brain matter or carcass never left the qaurintine zone. A bunch of deer where brought into Ohio from penn. After release, tests from the penn. breeder posted positive shutting down 21 Ohio breeders. Those 21 breeders where given an option 5 year quarantine or kill the penn imports. 3 or 4 of the breeders choose the 5 year deal.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 07:17 PM
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Yoder farms have produced some of the largest northern whitetail I have ever seen. "Redoy Bill" to name one. I can understand a quarantine of the farm which is highfenced to monitor the herd upon the discovery of 1 infected deer, but to kill the whole herd as a percaution. Im not sure if the containment of the deer within a highfence can prevent the spread of CWD to the wild deer but if so what is the purpose of killing an entire herd which could be easily monitored. There is no approved live animal test for CWD( although there is one in development) so infected animals are shedding the infectious prions before symptoms appear. Those prions are bio-active for a long time creating an infectious hot spot, there is no known way to disinfect such a spot other than time, that's the theory any way. There is one herd, that is CWD positive, that they are experimentally monitoring for research purposes to see if something less than total depopulation is appropriate. Current practice is depopulation and quarantine for five years. My understanding is the live test has been out since 2008. But accuracy depends on stage of the disease. Hence 5 years of the qaurintine "At least 700 deer have been tested since October, and no other evidence -- aside from that one positive test -- has been found, according to Hawkins." I'm really curious to see what the future brings for live testing. Would eliminate a lot of the BS once a one and done is developed.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 07:21 PM
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He knew the rules of the quarantine, he chose to break those rules. "We have evidence that he was breaking the terms of that quarantine, which is very troubling given that chronic wasting disease positive was found on the farm," Hawkins said
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 07:34 PM
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He knew the rules of the quarantine, he chose to break those rules. "We have evidence that he was breaking the terms of that quarantine, which is very troubling given that chronic wasting disease positive was found on the farm," Hawkins said Looks like they both will get to meet in a court of law to determine if that evidence is actually breaking the rules or not
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 08:02 PM
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"We have evidence that he was breaking the terms of that quarantine, which is very troubling given that chronic wasting disease positive was found on the farm,"
I'm concerned what exactly was he doing and what this evidence is that they are referring to. What is this evidence that they claim to have?
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 08:06 PM
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Meh. All this should be on livestock/ag forum instead of a hunting forum. But it's not, won't be and you don't own this site so move along. Be nice, or I will report you to a MOD 
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 08:07 PM
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He knew the rules of the quarantine, he chose to break those rules. "We have evidence that he was breaking the terms of that quarantine, which is very troubling given that chronic wasting disease positive was found on the farm," Hawkins said That is the way I took it as I read it too, he made the situation worse possibly at least in his side of the leverage.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 08:15 PM
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I wonder how many ranchers would be as lenient if this was diseased cattle being brought in next to their land holdings??? The owner appears to be one that feels he is above the laws. http://www.cleveland.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2014/12/holmes_county_deer_hunting_pre.htmlThe ODA cited problems with record keeping by Yoder, as well as Yoder violating the quarantine by moving captive deer from the facility to his nearby Honey Run Farm on Nov. 12. The most troubling problem, said ODA Communications Director Erica Hawkins, was the discovery deer had escaped from World Class Whitetails Hunting Preserve since the quarantine.
"Transferring deer to Honey Run Farm was a clear violation of the quarantine," said Hawkins. "Yoder willfully violated the terms of the quarantine, and we've also had chronic record-keeping issues with him. The last straw was deer escaping from his property. That could allow the disease to potentially spread to hundreds of thousands of wild animals in the state."
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/19/15 08:28 PM
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Meh. All this should be on livestock/ag forum instead of a hunting forum. Thanks for contributing such thought provoking insight.
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