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 Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 05:13 AM
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Is this like parvo to dogs? Not at all. Parvo is highly contageous. In comparison, CWD isn't close to as contageous as parvo, anthrax, or EHD.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 05:46 AM
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Is this like parvo to dogs? Not at all. Parvo is highly contageous. In comparison, CWD isn't close to as contageous as parvo, anthrax, or EHD. Let me add some real facts from the experts. Parvo https://www.aspca.org/pet-care/dog-care/parvovirusParvovirus is extremely contagious and can be transmitted by any person, animal or object that comes in contact with an infected dog's feces. It is not known exactly how CWD is transmitted. The infectious agent may be passed in feces, urine or saliva. Transmission is thought to be lateral (from animal to animal). Although maternal transmission (from mother to fetus) may occur, it appears to be relatively unimportant in maintaining epidemics. The minimal incubation period between infection and development of clinical disease appears to be approximately 16 months. The maximal incubation period is unknown, as is the point at which shedding of the CWD agent begins during the prolonged course of infection.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 12:03 PM
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Is this like parvo to dogs? Not at all. Parvo is highly contageous. In comparison, CWD isn't close to as contageous as parvo, anthrax, or EHD. Let me add some real facts from the experts. Parvo https://www.aspca.org/pet-care/dog-care/parvovirusParvovirus is extremely contagious and can be transmitted by any person, animal or object that comes in contact with an infected dog's feces. It is not known exactly how CWD is transmitted. The infectious agent may be passed in feces, urine or saliva. Transmission is thought to be lateral (from animal to animal). Although maternal transmission (from mother to fetus) may occur, it appears to be relatively unimportant in maintaining epidemics. The minimal incubation period between infection and development of clinical disease appears to be approximately 16 months. The maximal incubation period is unknown, as is the point at which shedding of the CWD agent begins during the prolonged course of infection. Lot of unknowns in red you did not highlight. How many deer have actually died from CWD (not killed by humans to stop the sky from falling) again?
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 12:15 PM
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therancher
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Is this like parvo to dogs? Not at all. Parvo is highly contageous. In comparison, CWD isn't close to as contageous as parvo, anthrax, or EHD. Let me add some real facts from the experts. Parvo https://www.aspca.org/pet-care/dog-care/parvovirusParvovirus is extremely contagious and can be transmitted by any person, animal or object that comes in contact with an infected dog's feces. It is not known exactly how CWD is transmitted. The infectious agent may be passed in feces, urine or saliva. Transmission is thought to be lateral (from animal to animal). Although maternal transmission (from mother to fetus) may occur, it appears to be relatively unimportant in maintaining epidemics. The minimal incubation period between infection and development of clinical disease appears to be approximately 16 months. The maximal incubation period is unknown, as is the point at which shedding of the CWD agent begins during the prolonged course of infection. Yes. That's exactly what I said. Parvo is highly contagious, CWD isn't highly contagious. He'll, they've studied it for decades and still don't know exactly how it's transmitted. What IS known, is that one deer can die of CWD in a captive herd of hundreds, and no other deer get it. That, is not a very infectious disease. Anthrax and EHD are known to kill 80+% of populations during outbreaks. In a few weeks. Now, where do you think research $ would be better spent?
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 01:39 PM
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Is this like parvo to dogs? No, you can vacinate to help prevent parvo. There is not much of anything you can do for CWD. No vaccine or treatment except to expedite a quick kill and put the animal down.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 02:20 PM
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There is not much worse than having BIG government in your business,,,,unless it is getting caught not cooperating with BIG government in your business. 
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 02:44 PM
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The extremely contagious nature of parvo in dogs may be a specific natural desire
to stick there snout in other dog's poop ans smell real slow like.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 02:51 PM
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There is not much worse than having BIG government in your business,,,,unless it is getting caught not cooperating with BIG government in your business. Cheif Joe, what was it old whats his name said, you know "The jelly bean man", the "Gipper", "Dutch"? 
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 04:37 PM
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Is this like parvo to dogs? No, you can vacinate to help prevent parvo. There is not much of anything you can do for CWD. No vaccine or treatment except to expedite a quick kill and put the animal down. True. But the facts about CWD's low infection rate make vaccinations of very low value. Illinois has been testing for over 12 years. They've established that CWD hovers at less than one half of one percent (and they sample ~8500 animals a year). It isn't getting worse or better. It is at a virtually irrelevant statistical equilibrium. Which means it's not very infectious at all. http://www.dnr.illinois.gov/programs/CWD/Documents/CWDAnnualReport20122013.pdf
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 04:43 PM
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Basically if it was a serious problem, with more cases, they'd have a better handle on it from research. Since it's not everyone is kind of in the dark. The widespread, whole contained herd issue that fallen prey to it in CO (only one that comes to mind) researchers were a day late and a dollar short on targeting where it came from and transmission. Begs the question of what can be done about it if there's really nothing known about it?
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 04:59 PM
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Basically if it was a serious problem, with more cases, they'd have a better handle on it from research. Since it's not everyone is kind of in the dark. The widespread, whole contained herd issue that fallen prey to it in CO (only one that comes to mind) researchers were a day late and a dollar short on targeting where it came from and transmission. Begs the question of what can be done about it if there's really nothing known about it? Yep. And I find it amusing that there are people out there who say they can "control it's spread". And that it doesn't "walk into a state". They have no clue.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
[Re: Chief Joe]
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06/20/15 05:09 PM
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rifleman
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Too much unknown at this point in time. I'd suggest grants given to less valuable controlled herds with no live water and trying to spread it in an attempt to learn something and give grant money to neighboring controlled land sort of like the CRP program to create a buffer. All for being proactive instead of reactive when it comes to research.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 05:34 PM
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[/quote] 800 deer on 200 acres, that is a feedlot, not a wildlife preserve. Feedlots are agricultural entities.  From the article. Yoder, who did not reply to several phone calls, is in danger of losing a herd of close to 800 deer on his three farms covering more than 200 acres. The preserve is at 7391 County Road 203 [/quote] As an FYI, Yoder is a der breeder...so 800 deer ere not all in a preserve....many were in breeding pens
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 06:26 PM
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Too much unknown at this point in time. I'd suggest grants given to less valuable controlled herds with no live water and trying to spread it in an attempt to learn something and give grant money to neighboring controlled land sort of like the CRP program to create a buffer. All for being proactive instead of reactive when it comes to research. I think the majority of money would be better spent studying diseases that actually have a significant impact on game populations. There's a reason CWD is garnering all the dollars and attention. And it's a lousy reason.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 06:37 PM
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With those sort of set-ups they could research any disease they want. Start knocking them out.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 08:17 PM
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Basically if it was a serious problem, with more cases, they'd have a better handle on it from research. Since it's not everyone is kind of in the dark. The widespread, whole contained herd issue that fallen prey to it in CO (only one that comes to mind) researchers were a day late and a dollar short on targeting where it came from and transmission. Begs the question of what can be done about it if there's really nothing known about it? I doubt that, there is not as much money in finding causes, prevention or cures for CWD like there is for small animals, production livestock or humans.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 08:28 PM
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kind of a big deal
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Basically if it was a serious problem, with more cases, they'd have a better handle on it from research. Since it's not everyone is kind of in the dark. The widespread, whole contained herd issue that fallen prey to it in CO (only one that comes to mind) researchers were a day late and a dollar short on targeting where it came from and transmission. Begs the question of what can be done about it if there's really nothing known about it? I doubt that, there is not as much money in finding causes, prevention or cures for CWD like there is for small animals, production livestock or humans. Maybe maybe not...CWD mimics scabies(sheep) and mad cow.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/20/15 08:30 PM
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With those sort of set-ups they could research any disease they want. Start knocking them out. In a weird way that's how CWD was first discovered.
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/21/15 06:43 PM
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/22/15 05:03 AM
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Re: 500 Ohio deer killed
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06/22/15 10:08 AM
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I have not seen anything new.
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