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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
[Re: Grizz]
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06/01/15 05:40 PM
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blackcoal
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It's never been against the law. No changes were made. Anyone being charged shouldn't have been. Like I said multiple times, there were no changes, just splitting hairs for the more dense among us. There were absolutely changes made, as I stated in my post. I teach the legislative update class required for LE every two years, and it was one of the changes highlighted in the 2013 class. I can assure you I'm far from dense. Do you teach the update statewide? If an LEO charges a person, then that person is looking at attorney costs plus. Since there seems to be some confusion among counties and departments, lets clear everything up or get everyone on the same page. JMO
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
[Re: blackcoal]
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06/01/15 05:56 PM
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It's never been against the law. No changes were made. Anyone being charged shouldn't have been. Like I said multiple times, there were no changes, just splitting hairs for the more dense among us. There were absolutely changes made, as I stated in my post. I teach the legislative update class required for LE every two years, and it was one of the changes highlighted in the 2013 class. I can assure you I'm far from dense. Do you teach the update statewide? If an LEO charges a person, then that person is looking at attorney costs plus. Since there seems to be some confusion among counties and departments, lets clear everything up or get everyone on the same page. JMO I personally don't teach it statewide, but it is taught statewide from the same curriculum provided by the state. The possible fly in the ointment would be an individual officer's interpretation of "intentionally display". It's pretty straightforward to me and it would have to be extremely blatant for me to file a case, but I can't speak for all officers.
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
[Re: Grizz]
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06/02/15 01:22 PM
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blackcoal
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It's never been against the law. No changes were made. Anyone being charged shouldn't have been. Like I said multiple times, there were no changes, just splitting hairs for the more dense among us. There were absolutely changes made, as I stated in my post. I teach the legislative update class required for LE every two years, and it was one of the changes highlighted in the 2013 class. I can assure you I'm far from dense. Do you teach the update statewide? If an LEO charges a person, then that person is looking at attorney costs plus. Since there seems to be some confusion among counties and departments, lets clear everything up or get everyone on the same page. JMO I personally don't teach it statewide, but it is taught statewide from the same curriculum provided by the state. The possible fly in the ointment would be an individual officer's interpretation of "intentionally display". It's pretty straightforward to me and it would have to be extremely blatant for me to file a case, but I can't speak for all officers. And there lies the rub!! What you teach might differ from what is being taught in other districts or regions of Texas. Any particular officer might be having a bad day, or maybe the citizen is having a bad day. Once again, JMO. And when you have LEOs who buddy up with Judges then more problems can occur. JMO. I don't have any solutions and I am happy I don't have to make the calls. Some areas can be very gray/grey.
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The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
[Re: blackcoal]
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06/02/15 02:48 PM
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Grizz
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I personally don't teach it statewide, but it is taught statewide from the same curriculum provided by the state. The possible fly in the ointment would be an individual officer's interpretation of "intentionally display". It's pretty straightforward to me and it would have to be extremely blatant for me to file a case, but I can't speak for all officers.
And there lies the rub!! What you teach might differ from what is being taught in other districts or regions of Texas. Any particular officer might be having a bad day, or maybe the citizen is having a bad day. Once again, JMO. And when you have LEOs who buddy up with Judges then more problems can occur. JMO. I don't have any solutions and I am happy I don't have to make the calls. Some areas can be very gray/grey. I understand what you're saying, but unfortunately most laws have a certain amount of latitude built into them. Sometimes it's a safety net to prevent people from being charged who shouldn't be. In the case of this law, it is that reason plus the problem of an infinite number of different scenarios to which the law has to be applied. It's impossible to define "intentionally display" in a way that would cover all of those scenarios while not covering some others. In many cases it ends up being a judgement call the officers have to make and we just have to hope they make the right decision for that particular scenario.
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
[Re: hetman]
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06/02/15 04:18 PM
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I appreciate the information about the accidental exposure subject. So many people serve up conflicting information.
A Democracy is when two wolves and a lamb vote on the dinner menu. That is why this country was specifically not designed as a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
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06/02/15 05:14 PM
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I appreciate the information about the accidental exposure subject. So many people serve up conflicting information.
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
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06/02/15 06:49 PM
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I appreciate the information about the accidental exposure subject. So many people serve up conflicting information. I can only take so much butchering of the penal code. It always amazes me how some people can get on here and spout incorrect information and then insinuate the people who are actually correct are stupid. If I could buy some of these guys for what they're worth and sell them for what they think they're worth I would be a millionaire.
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
[Re: hetman]
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06/02/15 11:24 PM
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Some of us have memories that go back to 2005 when HB 823 set out to clarify when a gun owner could carry a pistol in their auto. Harris County DA Chuck Rosenthal publicly made it known that he didn't agree with this new bill and would continue to prosecute anyone found with a pistol in the auto. He made it known that he would stand behind any LEO making an arrest for a pistol in the car without a CHL. Needless to say this was an abuse of power, and not his only one. But to me it serves to point out that certain DA's and Judges can make things miserable just to get their own jollies, and this has occurred in terms of what constitutes concealed. In 2008 Rosenthal resigned in disgrace for several reasons. BTW, Rosenthal was a Republican and a "loyal" Baptist.
The Greatest Enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.--Stephen Hawking
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
[Re: hetman]
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06/06/15 04:20 PM
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Has Abbott actually signed this yet?
LETS GO BRANDON
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
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06/07/15 08:41 PM
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Ihunt
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June 21st is the last day he can sign or veto bills.
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
[Re: hetman]
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06/11/15 08:26 PM
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Does anyone have a link to the full text of the bill and any amendments??
Funny thing about getting older: Your eyesight starts getting weaker but your ability to see through people's BS gets much better.
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
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06/11/15 10:06 PM
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Re: 'Open carry' bill heads to Gov. Abbott
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06/12/15 11:25 AM
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