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#5747425 - 05/16/15 11:26 PM Beginning Reloading
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This week I decided I'm going to start reloading. I'm going as cheap as possible at this time just to get into it. I bought a Lee Classic Loader for the .243, Lee Dipper Set, imr4350 powder, cci 200 primers, and .243 Sierra 100gr BTSP bullets. I got a Lyman's Reloading Manual as well.

Should I buy the deburing and case trimmer? What is deburing? Do I need to clean my cases? How can I cheaply clean them? Soap and water?

I plan to buy things in time, I just wanted to go as cheap as possible at first. I'm sure in a few years I'll have most of everything.
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#5747442 - 05/17/15 12:12 AM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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I was reading different Lyman Roload data manuals. One said min 36gr and max 42.3gr and an older one says min 40gr and max 44.5gr. Why is this? I planned to start at 38gr.
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#5747474 - 05/17/15 05:44 AM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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Case trimmer first. When you trim cases on the lathe style trimmers a bur occurs on the outside and inside of the case mouth where it was cut. The first time you trim a case you will see it. The deburring tool bevels the inside and outside of that trim cut. Add a flash hole deburring tool to the list. The flash hole is punched out at the factory and lots of inconsistent brass is left behind. Deburring the flash hole helps more consitent ignition.

Brass prep is first so get the brass prep tools.

Manuals have to be made lawyer resistent. The newer one being more conservative is not surprising.

Look at hodgdon.com/reloading for their data. They make the powder, so I care what they publish. Check as many sources as you can foe powder charge weights.
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#5747653 - 05/17/15 09:27 AM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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Check technical reference sticky in this section.

In the Tips and tricks one IIRC there are some cleaning tips and lots of others.
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#5747700 - 05/17/15 10:06 AM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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Different testing labs and equipment yield different results. Different brands and shapes of bullets in the same weight will yield a different result and so on.

As I like to say, reloading data is more than a guide and much less than a Bible.

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#5747837 - 05/17/15 11:57 AM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: parisite]
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Originally Posted By: parisite


As I like to say, reloading data is more than a guide and much less than a Bible.


Exactly right.
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#5748460 - 05/17/15 08:30 PM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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Originally Posted By: MathMan
This week I decided I'm going to start reloading. I'm going as cheap as possible at this time just to get into it. I bought a Lee Classic Loader for the .243, Lee Dipper Set, imr4350 powder, cci 200 primers, and .243 Sierra 100gr BTSP bullets. I got a Lyman's Reloading Manual as well.

Should I buy the deburing and case trimmer? What is deburing? Do I need to clean my cases? How can I cheaply clean them? Soap and water?

I plan to buy things in time, I just wanted to go as cheap as possible at first. I'm sure in a few years I'll have most of everything.


Yes, you need to trim brass for all bottleneck brass. Everytime you fire it, it will grow slightly.

If you are on a budget, buy the Lee Cutter & Rod for the .243, also buy the Lee Champer Tool. I think you can get it for under 20 dollars? (I'm not 100% on that, as I don't use that system).

As for cleaning brass, I'd recommend you buy a tumbler and use media to clean the brass. BUT use something like Flitz and cloth and polish them by hand (Don't use ammonia based polish). Eventually you will use a tumbler just like everyone else, so just go buy one.

You'll also want a digital scale to check your powder weights. Trust me on this one. You'll also need calipers so you can measure your cases and your COAL.

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#5748631 - 05/17/15 10:19 PM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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I'd throw in a vote for the Lee trimmer and case prep tools. I used them when I started reloading to save money, but they work just fine.

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#5751577 - 05/19/15 09:59 PM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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Thanks. I'll be buying the lee case trimmer and prep tools, some calipers for measuring, and a digital scale. Not at first though. I think I'm good with what I have for the first reloading at least.

For cleaning I'll be doing the vinegar, water, soap soak. Then I'll dry then in the dryer in a cloth bag. In time I'll get a case tumbler.

I'm not needing to shoot super accurately. Just good enough to shoot a deer or hog at about 200 yards max.
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#5751627 - 05/19/15 10:44 PM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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If you go with the Lee trim tools get the Lee stud so you can use a drill to trim, chamfer OD ID, and then polish the case with steel wool. Lee is simple and fool proof and work pretty good.
Good luck
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#5751821 - 05/20/15 08:03 AM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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Disclaimer: I've yet to reload a single shot yet, but in the process of teaching myself.

I unknowingly bought the Worlds Finest Trimmer from a thf member and just set it up to use it last night and it works brilliantly. I just have to figure out what to do with the flying brass shaving. Seems lien the biggest draw back to this system is that it tends to be caliber specific. But it don't bother me too much at this point. I even now own the Worlds Finest Trimmer 2 with a 223 insert. This second generation allows for more calibers.

It might be worth looking into. I really don't know since I've only trimmed about 125 cases so far. But seeing how other do it online I'm totally convinced this is at least the fastest way to trim a bunch of cases.


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#5759006 - 05/25/15 03:49 PM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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I reloaded 20 bullets today. Was fun! I marked the cases with a line to show they have been reloaded once and wrote my load data on the box that I put them in.

Will the sharpie line stay on the case after its fired?
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#5759107 - 05/25/15 05:06 PM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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Yes

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#5759256 - 05/25/15 06:34 PM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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You don't know it at this point, of course, but you will get so sucked into this "money saving" adventure. You'll have a Lyman on your toilet tank pretty soon. You'll bring home brass for guns you don't have. You'll scan intersections while you're waiting for the light to change for lead weights.

You aren't the first so don't feel bad.
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#5761302 - 05/26/15 11:47 PM Re: Beginning Reloading [Re: MathMan]
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Originally Posted By: MathMan
Thanks. I'll be buying the lee case trimmer and prep tools, some calipers for measuring, and a digital scale. Not at first though. I think I'm good with what I have for the first reloading at least.

For cleaning I'll be doing the vinegar, water, soap soak. Then I'll dry then in the dryer in a cloth bag. In time I'll get a case tumbler.

I'm not needing to shoot super accurately. Just good enough to shoot a deer or hog at about 200 yards max.




So a dipper is all you have for now? How are you going to know if 4350 even works unless you try different weights? It may throw the bullet all over the paper with one charge or any. A scale is about $40. A trickler is about $20. Surely you can afford that.

Are you using the Lee loader that you hammer?

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