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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/17/15 03:29 AM
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I traded for a savage action 300 rum from a member here. Got brass dies load data round count etc. I loaded Retumbo under a 208 amax with a cci mag primer starting at 85 gr ladder up to 95 gr in .2 gr increments. First round nothing just firing pin click, primer is dented as it should be. Try again rnd 2 same result. Came home pulled those bullets and I have half burned powder. Never seen this before. I pull them all down start over with wolf mag primers and same loads. (I loaded 338 Lapua rnds with this primer and this powder in similar charges at the same sitting and they are performing fine). Go to shoot the new loads today and nada. Just a dented primer. I tore the firing pin down and checked the spring tension, protrusion etc and seated a primer in an empty brass and boom just fine. Went to shoot again and nothing but a dent. I have not pulled these down yet. I have been reloading for 15 yrs or so and have been able to figure most stuff out. I am going to try some factory ammo next. No reason to doubt this rifle it has fired R22 with the cci primers here. I am using a lee shell holder in a rcbs chucker and not sure if possibly the primer is not seating deep enough but all I use is Lee shell holders and always have. If both were loaded at the same time with the same powder and one is working fine, then I wouldn't think its the powder. On second thought it could be the powder is messed up just enough to cause problems in the 300 but I would think accuracy would suffer in the lapua. For some reason I didn't date the lapua loads, but I know for a fact that both loads are from the same lb of retumbo, as only one of the 5 on my bench has been opened.
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/17/15 04:59 PM
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I've been through about 5,000 wolf small rifle magnum primers in 5.56. No issues. Many many others have had the same experience. Just 5000, huh. I've given you my personal and professional opinion on your issue with what is happening with your round. And it's based on a whole lot more than 5000 rounds on a cheap foreign made primer. Ammunition is a science, and needs the correct pieces for it to work properly. It's your ammo, and your rifle, and your face that will take the beating when your RUM detonates in your face due to a high pressure hang fire. The pieces you have put together for your RUM is a perfect storm of what not to do. Just my .02, but what the hell do I know.
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/18/15 02:09 AM
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I've been through about 5,000 wolf small rifle magnum primers in 5.56. No issues. Many many others have had the same experience. Just 5000, huh. I've given you my personal and professional opinion on your issue with what is happening with your round. And it's based on a whole lot more than 5000 rounds on a cheap foreign made primer. Ammunition is a science, and needs the correct pieces for it to work properly. It's your ammo, and your rifle, and your face that will take the beating when your RUM detonates in your face due to a high pressure hang fire. The pieces you have put together for your RUM is a perfect storm of what not to do. Just my .02, but what the hell do I know. I appreciate your input but not you arrogance. Thanks.
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/18/15 02:09 AM
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I've used Wolf primers with mixed results. In .223, I got some of my best groups ever shooting Benchmark and Hornady SXs using a Wolf primer, but the heck of it is there would always be one or two out of 100 that did not fire the first time. I wouldn't knock the quality based on that alone...I think it was due to a combination of factors including the Remington 700 action with the locking firing pin and its crappy-assed spring.
I think you have either bad powder or too light a charge. If the primers work in a .338 Lapua with a similar charge, they should at least light off these .300 RUM rounds. They may not be the BEST primers for the cartridge, but they surely shouldn't be failing all together.
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/18/15 02:39 AM
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From reading your posts, it sounds as though you are comfortable with these light loads in a RUM with a slow burning powder, which are actually dangerous. The Wolf, Tula, and other Russian foreign primers are crap. I know multiple shooters who wanted to save a few pennies and run them. After seeing them have many FTF and ignition problems, they are not worth it. So, yes, I get a little into it when I see this. The last thing I want to see is someone who blows something up because they didn't understand what is happening with their ammo. So, I'll exit your topic.
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/18/15 02:41 AM
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I'm pleased with wolf in small rifle and so far with the LRM in Lapua. I will try another primer and new Retumbo. My original starting load was 90.0 gr. Going to stick with that. I have a couple buddies that shoot 300 rum often and they started their work up load at 85 gr Retumbo and 208's. I went ahead and loaded some ladder loads from 85 to 90 already having work ups from 90-95 on the bench. Just looking for a sweet spot. I am tempted to setback and rechamber this barrel to 300 win or sell it and buy another barrel. I never wanted a 300 rum it's just what I ended up with.
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/18/15 03:15 AM
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Chad has forgot more about loading ammo than most of us will ever learn. If I were in your shoes I would listen and appreciate his concern and not call him arrogant. You asked for help and he provided professional input. Just my $.02
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/18/15 03:35 AM
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I did listen, out of caution I've already pulled those loads down. I appreciate the input but not the arrogance, that is all.
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/18/15 11:17 AM
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One thing you might try while you're at it...load a few up with the Retumbo that hadn't been opened. Could be that something happened to contaminate or spoil the jug you've been loading out of.
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/18/15 11:51 AM
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I'm starting with a new can of Retumbo.
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/21/15 11:50 AM
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From reading your posts, it sounds as though you are comfortable with these light loads in a RUM with a slow burning powder, which are actually dangerous. The Wolf, Tula, and other Russian foreign primers are crap. I know multiple shooters who wanted to save a few pennies and run them. After seeing them have many FTF and ignition problems, they are not worth it. So, yes, I get a little into it when I see this. The last thing I want to see is someone who blows something up because they didn't understand what is happening with their ammo. So, I'll exit your topic. you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/21/15 02:42 PM
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How about an update on the new can of powder.
Maybe Today. raptureready.com
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Re: Powder ignition problem (or rifle problem) not sure.
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05/23/15 12:44 PM
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Waiting on some new primers too. Not a magnum primer to be found in San Angelo of any mfg. As far as a starting load Hodgdon Powders lists no 208 bullet in 300 rum but their starting load for a 220 gr bullet is 84gr Retumbo. Internet reloading gods say that 85gr under a 208 is a bomb. Got it. I will contact hodgdon and hornaday to see what their starting load suggestion is.
Last edited by westexhunt; 05/23/15 01:06 PM.
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