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#5738969 - 05/11/15 12:24 PM Starting over
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I just committed to a new lab pup. I'm so excited and nervous it's unreal. A 51 year old man shouldn't get this wound up over a dog but for some reason I am. Studying training videos and hoping I don't screw this up. Pedigree and background look good. I asked all the questions I knew to for what I'm looking for. Messed up and didn't get one I was looking at earlier this year. Guess I'll find out if I'm up to the task after years without one.
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#5739055 - 05/11/15 01:14 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
Barny Topwater Offline
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Hey! At least you're not like me, I know I would screw it up so I'm taking my pup to a pro. flehan
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#5739265 - 05/11/15 03:48 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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My friend, who is also taking a pup from this litter, did that and the guy had not done a good job. First shot on a hunt the dog broke and ran off. Got killed on the highway a mile away. So be sure it's a real "pro".
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#5739654 - 05/11/15 08:34 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
Barny Topwater Offline
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Originally Posted By: passthru
My friend, who is also taking a pup from this litter, did that and the guy had not done a good job. First shot on a hunt the dog broke and ran off. Got killed on the highway a mile away. So be sure it's a real "pro".

Was recommended by Bill Oxner, unless the dog is a dog, his recommendation is all I need. Also Duckedup has his sister pointing and holding.
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#5739856 - 05/12/15 12:08 AM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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what is the pedigree

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#5740467 - 05/12/15 11:21 AM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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I'll see if I can't get a scan of it.
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#5740896 - 05/12/15 03:59 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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SHR Soggy Bottom Brown Drake CGC



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Callname: Drake
Gender: Male
Color: YLW
coat Genotype: Yellow - Hidden black and Choc - eeBb
Whelp Date: 8/9/2012
Owner: Lauren Daniel
Breeder: Earl Carrell

OFA Hips: LR-210699G24M-NOPI (Good)
Eye CERF: LR-EYE6389/24M-VPI
OFA Elbow: LR-EL64596M24-NOPI(Normal)
CNM: LR-CNM14-313-M-NOPI(clear)
EIC: D14-033430-1(clear)
UKC Reg: R253328
AKC reg: SR74557403
AKC DNA: #V740183



**Want to check some of the health clearances of this dog: Official OFA Web site (opens in new window & search based on Dog's name)***
CNM -- CNM Website


Pedigree:


SHR Soggy Bottom Brown Drake CGC Soggy Bottom Boomer ( YLW )
Bear Hug II ( CHOC )
Black Beaver Duke ( BLK )
Ginger My Lady III ( CHOC )
Hips: OFA49G
Kelley's Texas Harley ( YLW )
Texas Thunder II ( YLW )
Casey Sunshine II ( YLW )
Carrells Koko Brown ( CHOC )
Carrel's Texas Tank ( YLW )
Leo's Lucky Lefty ( YLW )
Thompson's Chocolate Kiss ( CHOC )
Texas Sheeza Keeper Bontia ( CHOC )
Texas Gunner ( CHOC )
Hips: OFA24E
Elbows: OFEL24
Hatch's Casey Bonita ( BLK )


This is the sire. Let me know if I'm missing something. Ignorance is not bliss.
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#5741370 - 05/12/15 08:29 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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I have been informed that a dog of 2.5 yoa should have accomplished more than a SHR rating. Let's pretend I don't know squat about field or hunt trial things. Opinions?
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#5741479 - 05/12/15 09:33 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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So are you getting a pup out of the 2.5 year old or is he the dog you're getting? I'm not following.
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#5741516 - 05/12/15 09:52 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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Never mind, I saw your post on the other forum. Based on what I read there and what I have read here I will comment. It all comes down to dollars and cents and it is all in the eye of the beholder. What you might call a great meat dog the next guy may hate because they lack style, bottom, and desire, where as you might look at his dog and think they are way too high drive. One thing I do know is that you can put whoa into a dog but you can't put go into them if its not there. Most of the problems that I see are because of the bottom line and its a shame. The honest truth is unless you are getting that pup for next to nothing you can do way better as far as pedigree which is all that you can go on when buying a puppy. I don't care what anyone tells you, you could have watched the sire and dam both work and love them and the breeding might not click. You could take two calm dogs and throw a maniac or you might throw a dog with no brains or desire. The only sure bet is to buy a started dog. Any puppy is a crap shoot but you sure increase the odds by buying proven pedigrees and unfortunately that takes $$.
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#5741825 - 05/13/15 08:20 AM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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I agree with Tony. I wouldn't take a pup from that breeding. The only thing an SHR means is the dog can do two single marked retrieves on land (not to exceed 75 yards) and two single marked water retrieves (not to exceed 60 yards).
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#5741862 - 05/13/15 08:45 AM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
Leonardo Offline
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Some pretty good advice on this thread. There are puppy ads all over the place from all over the country. I am sure there are many good litters close to home but shipping a pup isn't that difficult either.

Also like Tony mentioned if drive/energy are a primary factor then buying a started dog will give you a better idea of what you are getting overall.

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#5742751 - 05/13/15 05:50 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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Yeah and the dams pedigree shows no dogs with any type of trialing. I talked with my partner today and he feels the same. His point though was the last dog he bought the pedigrees were fantastic with lots of master hunters and the sire a grand champion or something and yet the dog was a dud. So I guess it doesn't mean anything but I can't forget the advice of Cheech and Chong.
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#5743209 - 05/13/15 09:46 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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You can get a deal or dud from any litter no matter what the pedigrees look like. However when buying a pup you have nothing else to base your decision on. Personally i will buy a started dog without a stacked pedigree but not a puppy.

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#5747170 - 05/16/15 08:13 PM Re: Starting over [Re: passthru]
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Hey Passthru, we are in the same boat. I have owned two black labs in my life. The first was awesome I was newly married, got lucky on the pup and we went to hunt tests and hunted for many years. My second was from the same blood, by this time, I had a daughter and could not take the time to train her, so she was a great pet.

I just bought my 3rd black lab from a member here. She is an awesome dog, great instincts and drive. I am taking her every Saturday to a "puppy" class to work on obedience. I'm 63 and finding I don't have the time or energy I used to, so I may not be able to get "Jessie" to the hunt test point. I hope to get her to retrieve some long marks and get here in some Started, Jr. tests just for her. She deserves it.
There are two great breeders here Tioga Retrievers and Crumpler Kennels. Their dogs would be great for you.

Jessie was the last female from her litter, I almost waited too long and almost missed getting her.

My hands are chewed up and bloodied from her puppy teeth, she gets me up a couple times a night to pee..all the great puppy sht. It will be worth it.
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