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260 vs. 7mm-08? #5729708 05/05/15 03:02 PM
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Could someone with more knowledge than I on these two, please inform me the pros and cons between them? I have very very little experience with a 260 and zero on the 7-08 in terms of actually shooting one.

This is kind of a knock off from the thread "which caliber" I started a few weeks ago, but figured this would be best as its own. I thought I had narrowed my vision down to the 7mm-08. I found a pretty decent custom 7-08 setup online ready to go, and a good family friend, who builds his own custom guns, and said he preferred the .260 as it was a better cartridge...so help? Not that I don't trust him, just wanted more intel on the two. I've googled this, and found some other threads on other sites I'm not a member of

Looking to make this my 1000 yard plinker and my primary hunting rifle. Thanks in advance.

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This again?

260 has more speed
7mm-08 has more BC
That equates to near identical wind holds to 1000 yards. Both wearing 24" barrels and loaded to their potential.

Because the 162 gr or 168 gr 7mm out weighs the 140 gr 6.5 mm, the 7mm delivers a tad more energy.


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yep again. haha. Sorry. The 260 wasn't ever really thrown into the equation before. The main topics in the other were 6.5creed,7-08, and the 280AI.

I guess I get a little ocd before making a big purchase and tend to over analyze my researching bang I finally finished reading my reloading book for the first time yesterday, and will def be reading it again to learn more.

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6 in one half a dozen in the other.

Might as well toss 6.5 creedmoor in the mix.


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260 for more range shooting and 7mm-08 for more hunting. I like the bigger bullets for hunting, like the 162 A-max out of a 7mm08. But a 260 with a 140 is no slouch either. The 162 will put more energy on target, if that matters. I have shot both.


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I recently pondered this question and chose 7-08. I think there's no difference between the two at 1000 and the 162 amax is more versatile than the 140 in a .260. Past 1000 the .260 probably gets the nod. The biggest reason I chose 7-08 is the guys I talk to are shooting.260, 6.5 creed, 6.5x47, and 6.5x284. So I'm not a bandwagon guy. I had two .260s before they knew what they were. They found 6.5 and I found a new caliber. I also intend to shame them at 1000 with my 7-08. Hope I can back it up.

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You do know that the 260 Rem and the 6.5 Creedmoor produce IDENTICAL external ballistics, right?

But the 6.5 Creedmoor tends to have a tad lower ES, and produces the same velocity for a given bullet with .5-1.0 gr less powder. At least that is what happened when I went from .260 to 6.5 Creedmoor.

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140 gr. A-max, 2800 fps with 43.2 gr of H-4350

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140 gr. A-max, 2800 fps with 42.4 gr. of H-4350


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Thanks Fireman and Chad. I think yall have me swaying towards the 7-08 again. My brain couldn't process the books I've been reading like the way yall put it above. Thanks for dumbing it down a little bit better for me roflmao

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7mm-08 if you buy ammo off the shelf, 260 if you roll your own unless you like the 7mm-08 better.


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Do you handload?

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Not yet, but I will be. I figured I would read a book or two to get the understanding behind it, before I went and purchased the equipment.

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Not dumbing anything down, just plain speak. It's really not very complicated.

Picking a chambering for shooting and hunting comes down to a few things. MV, BC, and Ft/lbs.


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True, it was just easier reading it the way you put it, vs. flipping back and forth between the charts in my book.

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"But the 6.5 Creedmoor tends to have a tad lower ES," Fireman, what is the ES?


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"But the 6.5 Creedmoor tends to have a tad lower ES," Fireman, what is the ES?


Extreme spread. The difference between the highest and lowest velocity.

shot 1 2700 fps
shot 2 2725 fps
shot 3 2730 fps

ES = 30 fps


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Both are very good rounds. For hunting i like the 7mm08, been using one for 32 years.


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Originally Posted By: Gravytrain
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"But the 6.5 Creedmoor tends to have a tad lower ES," Fireman, what is the ES?


Extreme spread. The difference between the highest and lowest velocity.

shot 1 2700 fps
shot 2 2725 fps
shot 3 2730 fps

ES = 30 fps


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Originally Posted By: ZK-315

Looking to make this my 1000 yard plinker and my primary hunting rifle. Thanks in advance.


Either will do the job very well.

For 1,000 yard shooting, there is commercially loaded match ammo for the 260, but not the 7-08.

So, if you do not reload, that is the decision right there.

For hunting, 7-08 ammo is easier to find on the shelf, but there are lots of good options for 260 by ordering from Midway and comparable.

260 is showing up more on shelves in small town shops in major deer hunting areas in South Texas and the Hill Country.

Interestingly, I found a small shop with 260 on the shelf in Llano, but they did not have 25-06 for a friend.

The 260 has less recoil as a general rule comparing like rifles.

For hunting with either, keep the barrel to about 22" and keep it light, and both are wonderful deer rifle selections, but again, the 260 will have less recoil.

1,000 yard shooting is a whole different application. The difference between hunting and long range target shooting is the difference between a F250 and a Mustang. You can use both in both scenarios, but 1,000 yard target shooting generally is better with a heavier rifle with a longer barrel to up the velocities. For long-range shooting in the 260, again, there is good quality factory ammo available, for the 7-08 there is none. You either have to hand load or order some from a custom loading service like Chad.

So for you described goal, my vote is for the 260, and I say that having owned both. 243 Win is another to consider.

While the 6.5 CM is popular for paper punching, it still does not have the ammo choices or availability of the 260. Check Midway online to see what is actually available. If you plan ahead and order target ammo by the case, the 6.5 is another good option. It is a proprietary round protected by patents and trademarks, so it is unlikely to go into widespread production by other ammo manufacturers as they have to pay licensing fees. The 260 was not patent protected so more of the smaller ammo companies load for it as they do not have to pay license fees.

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The 6.5 Creedmoor was just picked up by the Winchester and Nosler ammunition lines so hopefully that's a positive sign.


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And the old argument of "is the A-max Ok for hunting?". My answer is yes.

But it will help lean folks towards the 6.5 Creed if they get more ammunition choices.


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And the old argument of "is the A-max Ok for hunting?". My answer is yes.

But it will help lean folks towards the 6.5 Creed if they get more ammunition choices.


I have no issues with using the Amax. I'm pretty excited about Winchester picking it up as I like their brass a lot.


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Looking to make this my 1000 yard plinker and my primary hunting rifle. Thanks in advance.


Either will do the job very well.

For 1,000 yard shooting, there is commercially loaded match ammo for the 260, but not the 7-08.

So, if you do not reload, that is the decision right there.

For hunting, 7-08 ammo is easier to find on the shelf, but there are lots of good options for 260 by ordering from Midway and comparable.

260 is showing up more on shelves in small town shops in major deer hunting areas in South Texas and the Hill Country.

Interestingly, I found a small shop with 260 on the shelf in Llano, but they did not have 25-06 for a friend.

The 260 has less recoil as a general rule comparing like rifles.

For hunting with either, keep the barrel to about 22" and keep it light, and both are wonderful deer rifle selections, but again, the 260 will have less recoil.

1,000 yard shooting is a whole different application. The difference between hunting and long range target shooting is the difference between a F250 and a Mustang. You can use both in both scenarios, but 1,000 yard target shooting generally is better with a heavier rifle with a longer barrel to up the velocities. For long-range shooting in the 260, again, there is good quality factory ammo available, for the 7-08 there is none. You either have to hand load or order some from a custom loading service like Chad.

So for you described goal, my vote is for the 260, and I say that having owned both. 243 Win is another to consider.

While the 6.5 CM is popular for paper punching, it still does not have the ammo choices or availability of the 260. Check Midway online to see what is actually available. If you plan ahead and order target ammo by the case, the 6.5 is another good option. It is a proprietary round protected by patents and trademarks, so it is unlikely to go into widespread production by other ammo manufacturers as they have to pay licensing fees. The 260 was not patent protected so more of the smaller ammo companies load for it as they do not have to pay license fees.



What bullet would you like to see?


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Bobo,
can you clarify or be more specific with your question?

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