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Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 03:18 PM
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I have an older (1980-83 era) 700 Mountain rifle in 30-06. Scope is a Swarovski 3-9x40 mounted in Leupold base and rings. This rifle consistently puts two rounds in under .3-.4" then throws the 3rd round out an inch to the side. The barrel is NOT free-floated. My question is, would free floating this pencil-barreled rifle stop that 3rd round flyer?
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 03:20 PM
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It would probably help.
My dad has the same gun in 280 and that barrel gets hot enough to fry an egg fast! Floating it and bedding the action should help.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 03:50 PM
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Bear, Having no contact between the barrel and forearm should help with consistency even with the thin barrel profile. You may want to have the action bedded also. I've seen mountain rifles capable of of shooting very tight 3 and 4 shot groups and with the components you described I'm sure yours can also. Take a good look at how the action and barrel are mounted in the stock to make sure the recoil lug is held tightly in the stock, the action is evenly supported and that the action screws cannot compress the stock when torqued properly. Just keep in mind that that rifle isn't designed to shoot long strings of rounds. The barrel will heat up pretty quickly and then throat erosion can become a problem along with accuracy.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 05:38 PM
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Bear, Having no contact between the barrel and forearm should help with consistency even with the thin barrel profile. You may want to have the action bedded also. I've seen mountain rifles capable of of shooting very tight 3 and 4 shot groups and with the components you described I'm sure yours can also. Take a good look at how the action and barrel are mounted in the stock to make sure the recoil lug is held tightly in the stock, the action is evenly supported and that the action screws cannot compress the stock when torqued properly. Just keep in mind that that rifle isn't designed to shoot long strings of rounds. The barrel will heat up pretty quickly and then throat erosion can become a problem along with accuracy. This. Those thin barrels will make for flyers for sure. After the first group of 3, I never can get another group of 3. It's usually shoot 2 and wait. Then shoot 1 and wait between shots. Maybe I'm over thinking it but I shoot way more consistent when I wait between rounds.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 05:40 PM
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Have y'all seen those barrel fans they make out of computer fans and PVC pipe? Pretty genius if you ask me
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 05:42 PM
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When I do load development on my dads I only shoot it when its cold outside.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 06:21 PM
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I have two Mt Rifles..one in .257 Roberts and one .270. Both shoot great BUT I never shoot with a hot barrel. Just something that was drummed into my head when I first started to shoot 50 years ago.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 06:32 PM
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I usually shoot this rifle like Bullfrog - shoot two then wait for barrel cooling.
I've heard of folks using the compressed air cans to cool a barrel down. Always figured it just cooled one side of the barrel (the inside) down and not the whole barrel. I usually take 4-6 rifles to the range when I'm shooting/sighting in. Alternating between rifles and spending the most time with one of the .22's.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 09:33 PM
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If its a hunting gun.... a two shot group will be fine as long as they hit where you want them too
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/14/15 10:55 PM
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I seriously doubt its a Mountain Rifle if it dates to the early 1980's as I am about 95% certain they did not produce those until around 1986 or so. If it has the mountain rifle stock and barrel profile odds are its not factory and just something someone put together.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/15/15 03:36 AM
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The wood stocked Ruger Ultra Lights are notorius for this same thing...after 2-3 shots they need to go sit for a longer than I like while in the shade. Ron
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/15/15 04:19 AM
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My Ultra Lightweight does the same thing. It's the temperature.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/15/15 07:40 AM
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Throwing shot number 3 to the right?
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/15/15 02:34 PM
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Throwing shot number 3 to the right? Yes, normally to the right.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/15/15 07:43 PM
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I seriously doubt its a Mountain Rifle if it dates to the early 1980's as I am about 95% certain they did not produce those until around 1986 or so. If it has the mountain rifle stock and barrel profile odds are its not factory and just something someone put together. From History of the Remington 700 1986: Remington rolls out the slimmed down, lightweight, compact Model 700 Mountain Rifle with 22-inch barrel. Touted as the ultimate mountain hunter’s rifle, this shorter, lighter 700 quickly became popular with deer hunters everywhere.
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Re: Older model 700 Mountain Rifle question
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04/15/15 11:08 PM
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I was working in a sporting goods store back then. The Mountain Rifles were shipped and in stock immediately after the announcement so a serial number list might show a date of manufacture in 85.
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