you guys are great. I would have at least pumped 15 rounds of 9mm into it first

300 WM is first choice.
280 if you are adverse to recoil (like me).

ZK ...the old 280 that would fire when the safety was taken off SAFE that you posted about couple pages back, was most likely a Remington 700...they've had Recalls on their safety's way too many times to count for this exact problem regardless of caliber...and have a 'nuther one right now as I recall that has $12 million bux allocated for THIS Recall is what I heard... but I could be wrong too...
Ron

All this talk about 280's is sure makin'me wish I'd paid more attention to what my Granpappy said in 1967..."son...you want somethin' bigger than that 243 I sold you? go get a 280, 'cause the boolitz fly better than the 270's everbody thinks is the best thing to hunt deer with..." and that's a direct quote.

Remembering those words of wisdom...I went and bought a 'nuther NIB 270 last week, only in a "Peasant Rifle" of a TC Venture @ 1/2 the price of my SS T3 to quote Dave Petzal of ?OutdoorLife to burn up the inventory of 8-9-K? 270 bullets on the shelf, that I don't/can't sell sometime in the next couple weeks...look for 'em for a steal of a deal.

May sell or rebuild the T3 into a 280AI or ??? dunno which yet, but the T3 270's been boxed up and awaiting it's fate, and the Venture will get one of the new Vortex or Burris scopes that was allocated for this Tikka to give it a fair shake and we'll see if the TC shoots as advertised or not at normal hunting ranges.
Ron

I want a .280AI. I have about as much need for one as I do a third eye. But I still want one.

This very well could be the case on my uncles 280. He went through guns back then like most go through underwear. I realize it's something I may just have to get over but I just got a bad taste for it. It like going to a really good restaurant and getting one plate of bad food. Kind of makes you not want to go back again. Same situation for me


Sounds about like me wanting something that is suppressed. I don't need it, I just want it haha

How many of the Remington safety issues were caused by redneck gun smiths?

My dad has a 280 rem it also had a issue with the safety. It wouldn't fire when you pulled the trigger and then a little bit later it would just go off.

He took it to a "competent" gun smith and the culprit was.... in the almost 30 years he has owned the gun the bolt had never been properly cleaned and lubricated and a bunch of dried up grease and gunk was causing the firing pin to stick when the trigger was pulled until it finally let loose on its own. It was cleaned and the problem has been gone for more than ten years. When he took it home I looked up how to properly disassemble and clean/lube the bolt and we have never had that happen again. I wonder how many 20, 30 year old and older guns out there that have never had the bolt cleaned?

Yes sir I think your description of the problem is correct. But to me that is still a defect...note they have changed the safety design on the Rem 700's. Gunsmith and $20. solved the problem for me.

If you need a make/model consultant let me know.

Why not just go with a 7 rem mag if your considering 280 AI? Brass is easier to find and not a lot of difference

Less Recoil at 10-15+ mebbe 20% less powder and only loosing 100+fps MV's with MaxMax loads X's a 7RMg that ususally needs to run close to Full HOuse and noted for "wierd" pressure spikes in less - or the bottom half of a 5gr bracket - than Full House. Besides Nosler sells factory formed AI brass that is actually cheaper in the long run with all the FF'ing cost computed in if push comes to shove finding brass.

For me, this'll prolly be a low volume shooter so 2-300 rnds of brass will last me a lifetime at 2-3k+ estimated round count on game & load ladders over the next 6-8-10 years. Found a source for pulled/over run Federal Fusions in 500/1000ct quantities's @ SPS BT blem prices with 284 160gr NIB OR's in stock right now that'd do for at least half of the estimate...taking a lesson from FJG to buy all the same Lot# components at the same time for the est'd life of a barrel....snooze Ya looze.

Saw somewhere about reforming 30'06-25'06 ?? brass into 280 1st, then FF'd into the AI shoulder with a cheap bullet and minimum powder charge. PIA for sure, but gets you around the shortage and into WW & better euro brass too. Nobody ever said being a rifle looney is time or cost efficient.
Ron

Im sure if you stoke the 280 AI and compare it to a stoked load in 7 rem mag there is still more than 100 fps dif. I am however a 280 fan.

7 Rem Mag pushing a 180 gr. 3050 fps.

So how fast could I make a 168 gr go? Which is what I'd put in a .280 A.I.


Back on topic, I still stand beside my original statement. Learn to shoot precise with a short action. Once you're 80% hitter, graduate to a bigger cartridge. I spent 4 years behind a .308 Win and a .260 before jumping into a 7 Rem Mag. Crawl before you walk, walk before you run.

thanks Fireman. This will probably be what I end up doing. Getting something in a short mag, have some fun with it, and use my 30-06 for elk if/when I go. I'll eventually end up with another bigger cal later down the road which will more than likely be a 7 rem mag.

OK.

I really need to fill that hole between my two .270s (Win. and WSM) and the .300 Win, don't you think? I mean, I'm feeling kinda exposed up in here.

Sure you do. I know you used to get the HF raffle tickets and thought to yourself.."self, that Borden Rimrock in a 280AI would be a fine rifle. They shoot them out to over 1000yds so I bet they'd shoot well for me 0-400."...you're right, self, you're right.

Yes I have an undefeated record in all my cases styled "NP vs. NP".

I can see my consulting skills are still top notch if I can make it all your idea.

I had a partner like that once. Have an idea, he rejects it out of hand. 2 days to 2 weeks later it's the winning argument - and it's a dang good thing he thought of it too with all the lazy-a** associates mouths he had to feed.

I get a lot of practice.

There's always the more readily available Kinber Mountain Ascent.

I'm out on those.

If the young ones keep up their success another Nosler may be in my future.

Ugly camo pattern?

Naw, I had a Montana that I couldn't make group with anything. I'm not much for second chances on rifle makes.

Load development is a necessity with them it seems.