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#5697904 - 04/13/15 03:27 PM What caliber?
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Long range shooting has peaked my interest in the past few months and I'm starting to plan the purchase/build of my next gun. This is just the early planning on my part since this gun isn't going to come over night. The boss lady (wife) says I have to plan/save up for this one, since I figured it would cost me a good bit.

I got to shoot an extended family members suppressed .243 bolt rifle out to 400 yards and haven't stopped thinking about a new gun since then. I know 400 yards isn't very long range, but before I shot his, the longest shot I had taken was 150-175 yards. Shooting this gun is what started my new found obsession lol

Primary use will be whitetail hunting and shooting at the range, but I would like to be able to shoot elk with it as well.

My initial thoughts on caliber was a 7mm mag, but I wasn't sure if there was a better option out there. I do want to suppress it, shoot out to 1000 yards, and keep in mind about the hunting I said above.

Suggestions?

I hear a lot of good things about this 6.5 creedmore and long range, but is it elk worthy? I have zero experience with elk hunting, but that's changing this October up I will be taking my 30-06 this year, but in years to come is what I'm planning for.




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#5697918 - 04/13/15 03:33 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ZK-315]
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Oh, just thought I would add that it will be a bolt gun. Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

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#5697919 - 04/13/15 03:36 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ZK-315]
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Throwing elk into the mix makes me lean towards the 7mag more than anything smaller. However considering that elk hunting will probably comprise less than 1% of your hunting/shooting needs I would probably still look into something like a 6.5 CM, 6.5x55, 7mm 08, 280 rem.
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#5697938 - 04/13/15 03:46 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ZK-315]
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300WM can do some nasty stuff at distance.
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#5697947 - 04/13/15 03:53 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: redchevy]
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Originally Posted By: redchevy
6.5 CM, 6.5x55, 7mm 08, 280 rem.


So these are still perfectly capable for elk at decent range? Not saying I want to shoot an elk at 1000 yards, but something better than the guys that say "oh I shot an elk with my 243. Get you a 243". Not looking to start that war ha

Only reason I ask, I don't have any experience with those calibers what-so-ever. Just trying to expand some knowledge. My knowledge of calibers are basically limited to 22-250, 25-06, 30-06, 7mm mag and that's it.

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#5697965 - 04/13/15 04:01 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ZK-315]
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Everything is a give and take in shooting. The larger the bullet, and the faster you push it, the more energy and the more recoil you will have. 300WM with a high BC bullet for long range has some stiff recoil unbraked. The smaller 7mm bullets will have a little less recoil. Same with a 6.5mm. A well placed shot with a 6.5mm bullet will do fine for elk. I would get a caliber that will allow you to practice enough to get proficient with your rifle and ammo. Most shooters get a rifle that they only put a few rounds down range with. Find a caliber that will allow you to shoot it often enough without breaking the bank and allow you to practice with it year round. A good 6.5mm or 7mm is fine. I love a good hard hitting 300 Win Mag for me, though.
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#5697975 - 04/13/15 04:05 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ZK-315]
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Unfortunately the best scenario involves two rifles.

The rifle to learn on being a short action with low recoil. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an outstanding choice for that. I have one and really enjoy shooting it, but I don't elk hunt with it.

I elk and Mule deer hunt with a custom 7 Rem Mag shooting 180 gr Berger VLDs. But it costs more to feed, recoils more, and will have a fairly short barrel life. It hits like a train, and is fun to shoot, but I only bring it out on special occasions.

To get good at shooting distance you need instruction and lots of practice, which puts us right back to a short action, such as the 6.5 Creedmoor, or 7mm-08. You could kill elk with them rovided you maintained a maximum distance rule for yourself, and used a good stout bullet.

Then there's one more option, dipping into both sides of this spectrum. That being a 6.5-06 or a 280 A.I. It's got more recoil than the 6.5 Creedmoor, but not as much as the 7 Rem Mag. Either of those would be a dang good choice for the "one rifle man" scenario.
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#5697985 - 04/13/15 04:12 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Then there's one more option, dipping into both sides of this spectrum. That being a 6.5-06 or a 280 A.I. It's got more recoil than the 6.5 Creedmoor, but not as much as the 7 Rem Mag. Either of those would be a dang good choice for the "one rifle man" scenario.


The 280 Rem would be a very good one. The 6.5-06 would also be great, but you would have to hand load or have someone like myself load the ammo for you. One of these days I will have a 6.5-06.
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#5697995 - 04/13/15 04:16 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ZK-315]
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My general thought process is this. If a 270 is considered an acceptable elk round then a 7mm-08/6.5CM/260 rem/6.5x55 should also all be adequate for the job.
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#5697997 - 04/13/15 04:17 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ChadTRG42]
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
Everything is a give and take in shooting. The larger the bullet, and the faster you push it, the more energy and the more recoil you will have. 300WM with a high BC bullet for long range has some stiff recoil unbraked. The smaller 7mm bullets will have a little less recoil. Same with a 6.5mm. A well placed shot with a 6.5mm bullet will do fine for elk. I would get a caliber that will allow you to practice enough to get proficient with your rifle and ammo. Most shooters get a rifle that they only put a few rounds down range with. Find a caliber that will allow you to shoot it often enough without breaking the bank and allow you to practice with it year round. A good 6.5mm or 7mm is fine. I love a good hard hitting 300 Win Mag for me, though.


How's recoil on the 300 win mag vs a 30-06? Are they decent to suppress? Suppressing is something I've also been trying to read more into and still learning about as well.

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#5698007 - 04/13/15 04:20 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ZK-315]
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Which leads me to the next question. A gigantic factor is shooting small and shootinf far is very consistent ammo. Do you load your own?

If the answer is no, then you have three options.

1. Add the purchase of the handloading equipment to the bill.
2. Hire Chad to develop a load for what ever chambering you decide on.
3. Get a 6.5 Creedmoor and buy Hornady ammunition.
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#5698010 - 04/13/15 04:21 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Yep, there are no flies on the 7mmRM for big game up to elk and moose. With it I took 3 of my 7 bull elk and 2 of my 4 moose. But I have to tell you, of the eleven animals, not one was taken over 285 yards. My biggest moose, from the Hoholitna River country of Alaska, was taken at some 14 steps!
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#5698025 - 04/13/15 04:27 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ZK-315]
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You can go to the link below and play with the recoil amounts. It really depends on the weight of the rifle. The 300 WM will have more recoil than a 30-06, since it launches the same bullet about 150-200 fps faster.

You can easily suppress a 300 Win Mag. You just have to get one rated for a magnum round. I'd recommend a Crux Suppressor (Templar Tactical). Curtis builds a 308 Win can and rates it for 300 Win Mag.

The main issue I have suppressing a 300 Win Mag is pressure and recoil. I run a stiff load on my 300 WM with a 225 grain BTHP at 2802 fps unsuppressed and 2920 fps suppressed. This load is a hot load suppressed, and I don't shoot it much. But it shoots freakin' awesome. To run a 300WM suppressed, I would normally back down the load so it's safe with the can on, which means my unsuppressed load would be a mild to medium load. The suppressor adds a lot of back pressure to your rifle, bumping up the pressures. So a normal load is now a hot load suppressed.

On the recoil, a muzzle brake has a quick recoil impulse and allows me to recover from recoil very quickly. When I shoot suppressed, the recoil impulse is very long with a large shove, and I can not recover from recoil as quick. So, I prefer to shoot my 300 WM braked.

http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp
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#5698061 - 04/13/15 04:42 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: ZK-315]
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Yall all type too fast lol.

I'm also about to start reloading and realize that will be a whole new learning curve.

All of what yall have said so far makes perfect sense in regards to using 2 different guns instead of 1 gun for it all...which may eventually happen. I'm not too terribly shy of bigger recoil, as I'm not a small guy. But smaller recoil is never a bad thing lol. I have shot 1 gun before and after a brake. My uncle had, I believe it was a 280, and the brake did change the recoil quite a bit from what I remember. The only reason I don't like brakes are how loud they are.

Essentially what I'm trying to do is put my 30-06 into the gun safe so I can pass it down to one of my kids or grandkids when the time comes. It was passed down to me by my grandfather and its a heck of a shooter, but it has a lot of sentimental value so I don't want to booger it up with a whole lot of use.





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#5698094 - 04/13/15 04:53 PM Re: What caliber? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Unfortunately the best scenario involves two rifles.

The rifle to learn on being a short action with low recoil. The 6.5 Creedmoor is an outstanding choice for that. I have one and really enjoy shooting it, but I don't elk hunt with it.

I elk and Mule deer hunt with a custom 7 Rem Mag shooting 180 gr Berger VLDs. But it costs more to feed, recoils more, and will have a fairly short barrel life. It hits like a train, and is fun to shoot, but I only bring it out on special occasions.

To get good at shooting distance you need instruction and lots of practice, which puts us right back to a short action, such as the 6.5 Creedmoor, or 7mm-08. You could kill elk with them rovided you maintained a maximum distance rule for yourself, and used a good stout bullet.

Then there's one more option, dipping into both sides of this spectrum. That being a 6.5-06 or a 280 A.I. It's got more recoil than the 6.5 Creedmoor, but not as much as the 7 Rem Mag. Either of those would be a dang good choice for the "one rifle man" scenario.


This helps a lot. I've got someone that can teach me the long range shooting at his house, but I cant afford his arsenal. It seems he has a different gun for each animal roflmao
I would like to come up and take one of your classes at some point after I pick up a gun, though.
You and Chad are helping me out a lot so far. Thanks for all of the info thus far.


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