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Austin American Statesman, Deer rancher &breeder #5696226 04/12/15 06:43 PM
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Interesting article in Austin Sunday paper. Extensive write up in the paper on this subject.


KELLY WEST / AMERICAN-STATESMAN Dr. Scott Bugai breeds white tail deer on his ranch in Seguin, Texas for hunting. Lawmakers will tangle over the issue of deer breeding this session, as The Texas Deer Association, which represents the breeders, is again pitted against the Texas Wildlife Association, which has a membership opposed to breeding.

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Originally Posted By: wilhunt
Interesting article in Austin Sunday paper. Extensive write up in the paper on this subject.


KELLY WEST / AMERICAN-STATESMAN Dr. Scott Bugai breeds white tail deer on his ranch in Seguin, Texas for hunting. Lawmakers will tangle over the issue of deer breeding this session, as The Texas Deer Association, which represents the breeders, is again pitted against the Texas Wildlife Association, which has a membership opposed to breeding.



Do you have a Link Sir


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Thanks... tlk

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The article in the paper took what seemed to be a much harder view on breeding deer than the video. The paper indicates many wealthy ranch owners and others feel Mother Nature should take care of deer breeding. In 1996 there were approximately 275 with deer breeder permits. Today the number is 1,326.
Interesting reading.

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The article in the paper took what seemed to be a much harder view on breeding deer than the video. The paper indicates many wealthy ranch owners and others feel Mother Nature should take care of deer breeding. In 1996 there were approximately 275 with deer breeder permits. Today the number is 1,326.
Interesting reading.

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Interesting since 2 of the 3 founders of the TWA were/are deer breeders.


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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Interesting since 2 of the 3 founders of the TWA were/are deer breeders.


Don't confuse them with facts... It's hurts their agenda


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Interesting since 2 of the 3 founders of the TWA were/are deer breeders.


Don't confuse them with facts... It's hurts their agenda

Then I won't mention that one of their current leadership used to book hunters to shoot released deer either.


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Interesting since 2 of the 3 founders of the TWA were/are deer breeders.


Don't confuse them with facts... It's hurts their agenda

Then I won't mention that one of their current leadership used to book hunters to shoot released deer either.


roflmao

I know someone on here that will get REAL quite popcorn

Interesting read


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Interesting indeed. Sure appears to be a pretty big dustup among some pretty powerful folks. I guess not everyone feels there is only one view on the subject. Maybe they're just idiots too. smile


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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Interesting indeed. Sure appears to be a pretty big dustup among some pretty powerful folks. I guess not everyone feels there is only one view on the subject. Maybe they're just idiots too. smile


Since upper management of AAS retired a few years back, the stories see to dismiss actual facts.. Last few years they had an article stating most gun dog trainers beat dogs, a story that condoned shooting hogs in traps and bayed with 22 Cals, and my personal favorite allowing javillinas a MLD season would cause their extinction..

I no longer read anything published by AAS. It's said that Cox has allowed them to be so one side in opinion


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Interesting indeed. Sure appears to be a pretty big dustup among some pretty powerful folks. I guess not everyone feels there is only one view on the subject. Maybe they're just idiots too. smile


Since upper management of AAS retired a few years back, the stories see to dismiss actual facts.. Last few years they had an article stating most gun dog trainers beat dogs, a story that condoned shooting hogs in traps and bayed with 22 Cals, and my personal favorite allowing javillinas a MLD season would cause their extinction..

I no longer read anything published by AAS. It's said that Cox has allowed them to be so one side in opinion



roflmao

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Ahhh, the ol' "attack the source" gambit. Is the story untrue? Are the interviews fabricated? Everything just made up?

Lol.


Originally Posted by Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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Re: Austin American Statesman, Deer rancher &breeder [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #5697174 04/13/15 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Ahhh, the ol' "attack the source" gambit. Is the story untrue? Are the interviews fabricated? Everything just made up?

Lol.


Of course not...one person that is a member of TWA could disagree with HF and breeders, thus making it true

Like saying since you're an SCI member...SCI membership is against HF's and breeders...

Slanted reporting that's all. Picked and chooses what it wanted to report.


Lets state facts..such as TWA has never stated any thing against Deer breeders or HF infact many of thier statements are Infact improvement to breeding laws, again they have never condemned legal breeders, legal deer transportation and HF's


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I don't have much to say about the deal. First I've heard of it. But if even the basic facts are true, it does show there are powerful folks fighting about the issue. Even here in Texas.

So all the laughter and dismissiveness about it as a non-issue is obviously misplaced.


Originally Posted by Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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I don't have much to say about the deal. First I've heard of it. But if even the basic facts are true, it does show there are powerful folks fighting about the issue. Even here in Texas.

So all the laughter and dismissiveness about it as a non-issue is obviously misplaced.



Define powerful folks?

Then tell us what is being actually argued...


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Read the article.


Originally Posted by Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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So you have no connection to a breeder at all NP


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Read the article.


Like I said "what's actually being agrued?"

Off course you wont state it.. Because once again it doesn't support your agenda.

TWA does not oppose breeders or HF...period. They would like to see change to some regulations, which I support one and think the other is a waste of time.


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On both sides of this issue it is the voice of a few speaking for many(members). What is being said by the few in power may not be what the many(members) want sometimes. It is like 2 male dogs and one fire hydrant.


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According to the paper, the Texas Deer Association is spending as much as $250,000. on lobbyists while The Texas Wildlife Association is spending as much as $230,000.

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So you have no connection to a breeder at all NP


No, I have no "connection". My partner's family owns a breeding/HF operation. Not me. Not my family. I have no interest or affiliation with it. I have never shot anything out there and never will. We have discussed our positions on the subject. We are big boys who can discuss things and understand big boys can think for themselves and are allowed to have their own opinions. That's what big boys do. Just the other day, one of my partners was saying how his best friend refuses to even cull does on the place. Guess what? They are still best friends.

So you have no point, no "Gotcha!", no nothing. You never have.


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