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#5696108 - 04/12/15 11:32 AM When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass?
6.5x47Lapua Offline
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For the longest time they were not advertised as having hd glass. The example I owned had awful glass. They are now listed with the other hd ss scopes. Just curious when they upgraded.


Edited by 6.5x47Lapua (04/12/15 11:34 AM)

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#5696117 - 04/12/15 11:44 AM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Last year, or two years ago, I think.
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#5696759 - 04/12/15 09:11 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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I'm curious if the only thing they changed was the name.

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#5698447 - 04/13/15 08:02 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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I didn't know the 3-9x42 had HD glass when I bought mine last summer. I had went into the new store planning to walk out with the 3-15. I don't have a lot of experience with high-end optics; but I could tell the glass on the 3-9 was better than the 3-15. I went with the 3-9 and it has served me quite well. It wasn't until a few months later I discovered the reason was the new 3-9s may be using HD glass.


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#5698465 - 04/13/15 08:10 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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I'm not quite sure the 3-9 has "hd glass". It is now listed as hd in the title, but not in the description.

Which is why I'm curious. I thought swfa had a rep on this site who would be able to explain.

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#5698621 - 04/13/15 09:23 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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SWFA has designation of HD or not. I have not seen them false advertise.

Skylar is on this site lots, but he can't monitor it all day every day.

nidea Call the store and ask them. If you don't believe us.
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#5698689 - 04/13/15 09:46 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Same question was asked on Opticstalk..........silence.

I actually went to the new store and asked. Just got a shoulder shrug.

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#5698819 - 04/13/15 11:12 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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I purchased one of the SWFA 3-9 scopes in their December sale and asked Skylar if it was "HD" since it had not been listed as such and was assured that it was. Comparing it to the 3-15 (I own 2) I would say it is much better optics. That said, SWFA now lists the 3-9 in their HD section so not sure when/if it was converted to HD.
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#5699893 - 04/14/15 04:00 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: Big Fitz]
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Keep in mind that the term "HD" is a marketing term only. It doesn't necessarily mean the optic employs any special optical glass, whether low dispersion, extra low dispersion, or fluorite lens elements. It is simply used to denote that the optic is a "high definition" model; that it in some way has improved image quality vs a manufacturer's base model lines. The manufacturer may achieve this improved optical performance using extra low dispersion, apochromat, or FL lens elsments, or it may simply have an optical design that effectively controls optical aberrations and produces high image quality.

In this particular example, I'm pretty sure the SS 3-9X42 does not contain ED or FL lenses, but I'm not absolutely certain of that. If it does, I've never heard SWFA say it does. Nevertheless, it does have better image quality than some of the legacy fixed power model SS scopes, and is a higher end design, so it's appropriate for it to be classified as such.
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#5699934 - 04/14/15 04:25 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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The SWFA SS 3-9X42 has always been a HD riflescope, however was not named until recently with the development of the Mil-Quad reticle.

The 3-9X42 was introduced to the market at the same time as the SWFA SS 10X42 HD which had to have the HD designation in the stock number and description online to keep from becoming confused with what we now call the SWFA SS Classic Riflescopes, for example the SS 10X42.

As the HD line expanded SWFA had to make a clear distinction on our website between the Classic and HD series. So we made the decision to divide them into two separate categories.
The 3-9X was listed where it belongs and for uniformity we added HD to the description.
Nest, the stock number will change as well the lettering on the actual scope.

I hope this clears up any confusion that you had. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
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#5700104 - 04/14/15 06:30 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Thanks Skylar.
Just a couple more questions. The 3-9 that I had previously had a large amount of CA in the optics. It was bad to the point of almost seeing bright targets as double. You guys replaced that scope under warranty for other issues. Is this a normal occurence with the 3-9? And should I except similar quality of glass in the 5-20?

I really was hoping you guys had upgraded the 3-9 glass.

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#5711572 - 04/22/15 11:52 AM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Ok. Let me ask the question another way.

Is there anyone out there who has lots of range time with both the ss 3-9 and the ss 5-20? I am wanting to know the glass qaulity differences between these two "HD" scopes.

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#5711627 - 04/22/15 12:24 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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I have quite a bit of range and hunting time with the SS 3-9X42 and a small amount with the 5-20X50.

I do think the 5-20 is a little better optically, but then I haven't seen the severe CA and double image issue you describe with the 3-9. The SS 3-9 I borrowed from a buddy for 4 months for hog hunting on my AR had very good optics, in fact.
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#5711633 - 04/22/15 12:27 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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My 3-9 was a turd in many ways. Just don't want to make that same mistake with a 5-20.

I may pick up a 6x42 MQ, but will probably stay away from the "HD" line of scopes.

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#5711711 - 04/22/15 01:21 PM Re: When did the ss 3-9 get hd glass? [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Dude... your profile says you're in D/FW. SWFA is in Midlothian. Just drive over there and ask them to break out a 5-20. Walk outside the front door, rest it on something to keep it steady, focus the eyepiece, and look at the resolution chart they have tacked to the power pole on the opposite side of the road at various power settings. Spin the knobs. They're nice folks; they'll let you do this. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, don't. No risk involved. Don't trust someone else's opinion; nobody but you can see through your eyes. I've seen and/or played with ALL of the SS scopes except the newest 1-4X at one time or another. The "HD" line is WAY better than the non-HD SS scopes, and still, they're pretty darn good for the price.

Or, was this thread just a means to bash the SS 3-9? In a previous thread about the SS 5-20 vs. Vortex, you said you thought the SS 5-20X50 glass was very good, but you thought it was lacking in "adjustments and reticle choices." When pressed, you admitted your only experience with the SS scopes was the 3-9, despite opining on the lack of 5-20X50 virtues and telling me that my praise for it must've been "sarcasm." So, we have to conclude that your assessment of the SS glass being equivalent to the Vortex must've been based solely on your time behind the SS 3-9. Now, you're saying your SS 3-9 sucked, so one has to wonder from what basis you were able to make your comparison between the optics of the Vortex Razor vs. an equivalent magnification SS HD.

FiremanJG, Skylar, I, and perhaps several others have already told you several times that we think the SS 5-20X50 is a superb scope well beyond its price point, optically and mechanically. We answered your questions, and yet your "turd / make the same mistake" follow-up response indicates that's not good enough for you. Fine, don't believe anyone who's actually used the scopes you're asking about. Hell, maybe all of us have eyesight problems. Just drive over there to SWFA and look at the actual scope and form your own opinion.


Edited by RifleDude (04/22/15 01:31 PM)
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