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#5695126 - 04/11/15 02:51 PM 458 Socom for hogs?
Beaubien Offline
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Anyone have any experience with it? Pros and cons? I'm not worried about cost of ammo, I will be hand loading.

I'm just not happy with my 300 BLK.
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#5695214 - 04/11/15 04:11 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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Ballistics are very similar to .45/70 as are recoil considerations, impacts on optics, and how quickly you can get back on target. .45/70 is a great hog round, so by extrapolation, so is .458 socom.
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#5695224 - 04/11/15 04:18 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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Saw a guy who had a m16 with the so com. It was awesome.

.458 SOCOM isn't white a 45-70 but it will kill deer/pigs fine. Not the flattest shooting cartridge either, but it's a big one.

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#5695251 - 04/11/15 04:44 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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I did calculate recoil as I have an x sight. It appears to be right at what. 308 is. Hopefully I did it right. I'll probably add a Whitt brake if I pull the trigger. Pun intended.
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#5695267 - 04/11/15 04:52 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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Inquisitive minds ask if you might share why the 300BO isn't working for you confused

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#5695337 - 04/11/15 05:56 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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I would stop short of saying it isn't working. I have had a few run off and not get recovered. The Palo Duro is literally on the edge of the lease and I don't want to go down into it to get a hog.

I want something that is more forgiving of a shot that is not optimal. I hunt at night, the target is often moving and I don't always hit where I want too.

My thought process is more energy is more likely to put them down long enough for a second shot if needed. My favorite hog gun is my 450 Marlin but when I started using NV scopes it wasn't an option. I would still be using it if I could.

No plans to get rid of the 300, just want something else for hogs on the lease. No offense meant to any 300 blk owners.


Edited by Beaubien (04/11/15 06:24 PM)
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#5695372 - 04/11/15 06:29 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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Even with an effective muzzle device the scope may shutoff.

The initial recoil impulse is very hard to mitigate its been my experience that muzzle devices are effective on felt recoil at the stock I.e once the bullet and powder eacape the muzzle and the forces are converted to recoil management.

In my opinion you'll be testing the upper limits of the Xsights ability to function.

Sounds like a fun project!

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#5695396 - 04/11/15 06:45 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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I would agree. You'll be pushing it with most nv optics.

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#5695413 - 04/11/15 06:59 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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Well, the good news is the Xsights are cheap, so if you blow it with recoil, you can just get another anytime, which is good.
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#5695425 - 04/11/15 07:09 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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My experience with the 300 Blackout also as quite a few pigs just ran off.

But, we are talking about the 458 Socom so....
I'm on my second one.
The first one had a copy-cat barrel and finally worked right after lots of work.
For my second one, I did my research and bought a barrel and matched bolt from Tromix, the guys that originated the 458.
I machined the ejection ports on the receivers on my Bridgeport using the Tromix specs.
I slapped it together and it worked right out of the box.
I primarily shoot 250gr and 325gr Hornady tipped handloads for hogs.
I shot 6 of my 74 pigs with it last season but none got very far.
I have carry handle/iron sights on it now and use it as carry gun on my 4wheeler.
They are known as optic killers and am pretty sure an XSight will not live long on one.
Make sure you use a solid stock, quite a few adjustable carbine stocks will collapse when fired and get one you can put a 1/2" soft butt pad on.
The Ace Skeleton works well for me - see pic at bottom.

Since my volume of pigs has gone up considerably this season, I'm back on my 6.8s.
I have three with ARP barrels setup for hog hunting and use them more than the 458.
One is setup for day and two for night with a Photon and a N750.
It's fun to take friends and family on their first night hunt!



Edited by Vern1 (04/11/15 07:19 PM)
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#5695464 - 04/11/15 07:34 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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HTXH and DF thanks for the feedback. From the recoil calculators it looked like it would be similar to the 308 but I may be going down the wrong road. Sure don't want to shake my scope apart if I don't have to.

Vern, looks like the 6.8 has about 1680 ft/lbs of energy. Have any pigs run off after a less than perfect shot with it. Sounds like you are happy with it. Nice looking weapon.



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#5695467 - 04/11/15 07:40 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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The 6.8 is excellent. We all have them run off, regardless caliber and shot placement.

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#5695552 - 04/11/15 08:45 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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Have any pigs run off after a less than perfect shot with it.


Of course. You can't get away from that. The questions are, how far do they run and do you find them?

If the shot doesn't do significant CNS damage, then there is a real possibility the hog will run.
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#5695586 - 04/11/15 09:20 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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From what I understand, most guys using the socom at night are using the pvs 7 / laser combo.
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#5695663 - 04/11/15 10:17 PM Re: 458 Socom for hogs? [Re: Beaubien]
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If you haven't had a pig run off, you aren't hunting pigs.
Or maybe you are just lucky.
I can say without a doubt that the ratio of pigs running off with a 300 Blackout WAS considerably more than any other caliber I have tried.

I was an early adaptor of the "Silvers Bullet" and had more than my share.
I only hunt pigs and the 300 performed poorly for me so I changed tools.
I gave it every chance, spent lots of time working up loads and it didn't work well for me.
If you are OK with it, go for it but I like my pigs dead.
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