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#5689135 - 04/07/15 07:44 PM medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap.
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The standard 2.8-2.9 inch short action and subsequent magazines just don't cut it for standard rounds.

There is only one reason shorter rounds like the 6.5x47, 6xc, and creedmoors exist today. Because they can load heavy for caliber bullets properly and still fit in standard magazines.

308 loaded with heavies can easily go 3.1 inches
260 and 7mm-08 almost the same
6.5x55 and 7mm mauser same story.
284 win and it's derivatives can easily go length as well.

It's exciting seeing companies like stiller offer medium length actions. Tikka has zero excuse.
All we need now is 3,5, and 10 round quality mags and dbm's that allow loading to 3.2 inches and still reliably feed a 2.8 inch factory round.

I blame it on short sided thinking by remington.

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#5689149 - 04/07/15 07:52 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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This was posted on Stillers facebook page. A whole bunch of win right there, and is exactly what is needed.

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#5689187 - 04/07/15 08:15 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Tikka has no excuse for what?

Love the two I have.
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#5689206 - 04/07/15 08:24 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Sorry, I should have explained that one. Tikka uses one action size for both short and long action cartridges. 223 to 300 win are all the same t3 action.

They could have very simply given 3.1-3.2 inches of magazine length for the medium action rounds. It would have only required a different bolt stop/release and magazine.

I will dig up a pic of the 308 magazine to illustrate what I am talking about.

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#5689217 - 04/07/15 08:27 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads..._Magazine_Modif

Here is a good picture of what I am talking about. The pic shows a 223 magazine, but you get the point.

While I'm at it. Why didn't tikka allow for a 2.5 inch coal on there 223 mag? Silly.


Edited by 6.5x47Lapua (04/07/15 08:28 PM)

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#5689228 - 04/07/15 08:33 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Yes I kow they use one action. I have two, remember.

The types of rifles you're talking about building will be wearing different bottom metal anyway. Then we're limited to the length of an A.I. mag, no matter what the action is.

Just sayin...
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#5689244 - 04/07/15 08:38 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Exactly, it's time to get past the aics magazine. Alot of companies are making copy cat designs of aics mags, they should be trying to improve upon them.

The TRG and AW mags will both fit a 3 inch coal. I just want to see it taken one step further.

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#5689251 - 04/07/15 08:41 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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I don't always use aics mags either. For a hunting rifle, I am fine with just using the factory magazines. So yes, I want them improved as well.

You can't tell me that the current short mags, 308 based cartridges, mausers, etc, etc wouldn't benefit from a longer overall length action.


Trying to stuff a 300wsm with a 200+ berger inside 3 inches is problematic, and kills boiler room.

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#5689255 - 04/07/15 08:42 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Because why? What is wrong with an A.I. mag?

I've had the same two 10 rounders and one 5 rounder (short action) for four years without a lick of problems. After a couple thousand rounds in each mag.
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#5689262 - 04/07/15 08:44 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Because why? What is wrong with an A.I. mag?

I've had the same two 10 rounders and one 5 rounder (short action) for four years without a lick of problems. After a couple thousand rounds in each mag.


Ever try loading a 3.2 inch cartridge into an aics mag?

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#5689263 - 04/07/15 08:45 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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#5689264 - 04/07/15 08:46 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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AICS mags are great for rounds like 6.5x47, creedmoor, 6xc, etc, etc.
I have three of them as well. Great stuff indeed.

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#5689266 - 04/07/15 08:49 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Surely you understand what I am trying to convey?


300win aw mags won't feed a 308 from a medium action.

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#5689311 - 04/07/15 09:10 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Originally Posted By: 6.5x47Lapua
AICS mags are great for rounds like 6.5x47, creedmoor, 6xc, etc, etc.
I have three of them as well. Great stuff indeed.


I've used them .308 with 178 A-max touching lands, .22-250 75 gr A-max touching lands, 260 Rem 140 VLD and 140 A-max touching lands, 6.5 Creedmoor 140 Aax touching lands, 7mm-08 162 A-max touching lands, all with room to sare in the mag. All were chambered with zero or very little free-bore.

Throat erosion is going to happen same as tires on a pickup wearing out. As it does you may be stuck at mag length and be jumping. You may also have to tweak the load to work with the jump. Tires wear out, barrel throats wear out. The key is to start off with no free-bore so you're in good shape for a longer span of barrel life.

If you want more room, buy a long action.
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#5689336 - 04/07/15 09:19 PM Re: medium actions and the need for a better mouse trap. [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG


If you want more room, buy a long action.


That's kinda what I was thinking. I'm still a major newbie at all this stuff, but im assuming you want to seat the long heavy bullets farther out to maximize case capacity to gain maximum velocity. If you can't do that with a 6.5 creedmore in a short action, then why not move up to a long action cartridge like the 6.5-06. I might be way off on the reason you want medium actions and longer mags, if so, please enlighten me. I have a lot to learn.
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