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#5685670 - 04/05/15 06:56 PM Cartridge Combo for Elk?
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7mm rem shooting 160 grain A-Frames or .270 shooting 140 grain fail safes.

I already have the Fail Safes, would have to buy the Swifts


I shoot both rifles equally well and they are both light weight, topped with 3x9's so no difference in hunting with either one as far as the guns themselves go.
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#5685675 - 04/05/15 07:03 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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Easy, 7 Rem Mag.

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#5685678 - 04/05/15 07:05 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Easy, 7 Rem Mag.

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beanie or black felt hat when on the mountain?
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I think the deer hunting shows and "Bro' Country" are going to be the downfall of this once-great nation.

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#5685687 - 04/05/15 07:15 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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Black felt and a manly scarf in case of cold ears.

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#5685708 - 04/05/15 07:43 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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+1 for the "manly scarf".

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#5685788 - 04/05/15 09:06 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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I wouldn't fault the 7mm choice, but the Fail Safe is one badass bullet. So is the A-frame. I'd go with either without reservation.
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#5685795 - 04/05/15 09:10 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: RiverRider]
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Originally Posted By: RiverRider
I wouldn't fault the 7mm choice, but the Fail Safe is one badass bullet. So is the A-frame. I'd go with either without reservation.


I have 8 fail-safe bullets left. I bought this box in 97' I think .

I kept them around in case I ever needed to shoot thru an engine block
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#5685802 - 04/05/15 09:14 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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You have to good guns I would use the the 7 mag for primary and the 270 for a backup.
You bullet selection is excellent for eik.

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#5685859 - 04/05/15 09:39 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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On my elk hunt, I'm taking .270 with Barnes 140 grain TSX and 30.06 with same in 180 grain. Either of yours will get the job done. As stated earlier, get em both ready so you'll have a back up.

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#5685918 - 04/05/15 10:21 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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I've never heard of the failsafe bullets before. What's the story with them?

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#5685932 - 04/05/15 10:30 PM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: bside]
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Originally Posted By: bside
I've never heard of the failsafe bullets before. What's the story with them?



back in the early to mid 90's Winchester came out with this bullet to compete with the partition, barnes X and the A-Frame. It was a hollow point that had a steel core in the middle of it, when the bullet hit it would peel back like a star(much like a barnes) until it hit that core. black lubalox coating in a nickel case....looked bad arse. they promoted the hell outta it and we all went out and bought them.

only problem was unless you hit bone they would not expand on deer size game. they gave similar performance to barnes in where they zipped in and out on light skinned game not really doing much damage, made for some long blood trails on mortally wounded game. extremely deep penetrating though.

they got phased out in the early 2000's being replaced by the partition gold and some other bullet that I cannot remember what it called. we all went back to shooting soft points and ballistic tips in our deer rifles


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#5686025 - 04/06/15 05:52 AM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
7mm rem shooting 160 grain A-Frames or .270 shooting 140 grain fail safes.

I already have the Fail Safes, would have to buy the Swifts


I shoot both rifles equally well and they are both light weight, topped with 3x9's so no difference in hunting with either one as far as the guns themselves go.




I'll go with the horse power every time but I'm not too sure on your bullet selection. Both are bone busters and give deep penetration but might be a little weak in the heart lung area. Clip a rib or miss a rib and you might not get the expansion and fragmentation needed for that area. The Nosler Partitions give you more flexibility in that area with a better chance of frontal expansion and secondary projectiles yet still retain enough weight to bust up some bone if needed. Then again if you'll put either one of those loads into the spine area your hunts over and the work begins.
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#5686164 - 04/06/15 08:07 AM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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I feel like either caliber is plenty capable of the job. I don't care much for the fail safes, Ive had expansion problems with most monometal bullets and the fail safes will behave very similarly. If you have to shoot at any kind of distance where the bullet has slowed down a little it will probably perform worse. A-frames are good bullets, but also pretty spendy.

I would echo HWY_Man and recommend a partition in either and your good to go. I have read a few articles where the 150 grain partition in 270 is noted for exceptional penetration.
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#5686187 - 04/06/15 08:18 AM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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#5686302 - 04/06/15 09:22 AM Re: Cartridge Combo for Elk? [Re: txtrophy85]
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Almost any ctg that has the capability of shooing a 150gr or heavier bullet mixed with your capability to make a well placed shot will do a nice job on elk. Even an old 30-30. No need for these magnum womper stompers.
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