I have shot quite a bit to 850 yds 5.56, and 308. I worked up a load for the 338 L and sighted it in at 1000. Hasn't been shot since. No regular place to shoot over 1000. Want to hone my skills inside 1000 and I might move the XRS to the Lapua later and shoot past 1000.

I was leaning towards a Creedmoor and will build/buy another setup like I want. I built a SPR 5.56 and have learned a lot from it out to 850 already. Just looking to utilize this bushnell and need a little more range than the 5.56.

I was leaning towards a Creedmoor and will build/buy another setup like I want. I built a SPR 5.56 and have learned a lot from it out to 850 already. Just looking to utilize this bushnell and need a little more range than the 5.56.

Creedmoors are great. No doubt.

But a mag fed ar15 can not compare to a 223 ackley. Set up properly you can send the 75 amax out at 3000 fps.


My version of a proper range will more than put anyone to the test.

One shooting position.
4 shooting lanes spread over at least 40-90 degrees. The more spread out the better.
30 or more steel targets ranging from 1/2 moa to 2 moa.

One lane has targets at 100 yard increments starting at 300 to 1100 or so.
Next lane has targets on the 50's. 350, 450, etc, etc.
next lane has them on the 75's. 375, 475, etc, etc out to 1100.
The final lanes are target placed at random and odd ranges.

Wind calls will be different on each of these lanes because you have spread them out over several degrees.

The guy who can work his way back and forth between these ranges effiiciently and quickly is a guy who has mastered the fundamentals. Start with hits on the 2 moa stuff, and work your way down to the 1/2 moa stuff. I promise hitting a 2 inch steel plate at 400 is more than enough challenge for anyone.
After that, then the challenge starts all over again from different shooting positions. Tripod, kneeling, standing, tree branches, etc, etc.

It takes lots of range time and ammo to be able to do this efficiently.

If it were me, and I was wanting to get better at shooting at distance. I should have taken this advice back in 2002.

Here is the recipe:

24 inch 223ai
75 or 80 amax chambered at around 2.4- 2.5inches
Crap loads of LC brass

Cheap to shoot. Zero recoil. Enough ballistics to be worthwhile.

Shoot about 4-5000 rounds of this recipe on a UKD style range and I guarantee you will be a better shooter for it.
Only range time and rounds down range will make you a better shooter.

This assumes you reload, and want to spend time at a proper range.

Interesting. What twist would you on this 223AI, 7,7.7 or 8? What COAL do 223 AI mags allow?