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#5682249 - 04/02/15 10:58 PM snake info
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im sure there is a topic for this some where. Snake vaccine or not? and why if not? also who does the snake avoidance training near FORT Worth?
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#5682253 - 04/02/15 11:03 PM Re: snake info [Re: Guns Up]
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I would highly recommend it. Two of the ranch dogs have been bit by rattlers in the last couple of years and one of them was bit on the tongue and the other was on the top of the head. Both made it past the bites fairly easily and the vet said that neither would have lived if they hadn't of had the vaccine...I believe him.

I can't remember who does the training around here, but there is a few post on the forum. If I find it, I will post the link but I am sure someone will be able to tell you. Good luck up
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#5682527 - 04/03/15 08:57 AM Re: snake info [Re: Guns Up]
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He's on the forum (wal1809), and is the only one I've ever used for my dogs. You should start seeing dates on the forum this summer, as he travels a good part of Texas putting on clinics.
http://www.snakebreaker.com/

I have my vet give the dogs the Snake vaccine, but they have had it at some clinics.
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#5683699 - 04/03/15 10:42 PM Re: snake info [Re: Guns Up]
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Vaccine and Clinic.
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#5683827 - 04/04/15 06:39 AM Re: snake info [Re: Fooshman]
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When Red Rock first brought the snake vaccine to the market 15-or-so years ago, everyone I know was rightfully skeptical about the effectiveness of this new idea. But there's no doubt anymore; the vaccine works and just might save your dog's life if he gets bitten. If you hunt in rattlesnake country, get the vaccine right before hunting season. If you live in rattlesnake country, get your dogs vaccinated twice yearly.

The vaccine is specific for Crotalus spp only, but empirical evidence suggests that it has some crossover effectiveness for Agkistrodon bites...copperheads and cottonmouths.

Snake avoidance training is equally valuable. It is the ounce of prevention, whereas the vaccine is the pound of cure.
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#5684959 - 04/05/15 09:16 AM Re: snake info [Re: Guns Up]
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We have a great deal of copperheads. Never heard any recommendations for a snake vaccine. I'll look and see if this is available because it sounds like a good idea.

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#5687984 - 04/07/15 07:47 AM Re: snake info [Re: Guns Up]
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The vaccine will not work for copperheads. It was developed for Western Diamond back rattlesnakes ONLY.

Kindall mujch love to you, thank you very much.

Dawaba "It is the ounce of prevention, whereas the vaccine is the pound of cure." I love it. If alright with you I might just work that into my speech I gove before each clinic. I have always said to get the training to try and avoid a bite, get the vaccine in case of a bite.

The first clinic of the year is firing up on 04/25 in Waller, Texas. I will post it in the correct spot at the top of the list of threads in the dog forum.
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#5687988 - 04/07/15 07:49 AM Re: snake info [Re: Fooshman]
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Originally Posted By: Fooshman
Vaccine and Clinic.


Mucho correct! BTW We find out today if we get loan approval for the townhome in Port Oconner. By the time duck seaason rolls around I will have the pontoon blind ready to go. We will have to make a trip and rake some redheads.
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#5688815 - 04/07/15 03:37 PM Re: snake info [Re: Guns Up]
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Wal, do your clinics cover cottonmouth and copperhead avoidance? I don't get around rattlesnakes much, but I am worried about the other two. Will the training work for all species of snakes or is it just the species introduced in the clinics?
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#5688827 - 04/07/15 03:48 PM Re: snake info [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
Wal, do your clinics cover cottonmouth and copperhead avoidance? I don't get around rattlesnakes much, but I am worried about the other two. Will the training work for all species of snakes or is it just the species introduced in the clinics?


If I have them at the time I will use them. The training will cross over for all. At one time my labrador wouldn't even cross a garden hose if that will tell you anything.
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#5688830 - 04/07/15 03:50 PM Re: snake info [Re: Guns Up]
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Wal you need any copperheads soon?
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#5689487 - 04/07/15 10:27 PM Re: snake info [Re: wal1809]
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Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
Wal, do your clinics cover cottonmouth and copperhead avoidance? I don't get around rattlesnakes much, but I am worried about the other two. Will the training work for all species of snakes or is it just the species introduced in the clinics?


If I have them at the time I will use them. The training will cross over for all. At one time my labrador wouldn't even cross a garden hose if that will tell you anything.


Sounds effective! You came highly recommended by a forum member, by the way.

Excuse the millions of questions, but the one video I've seen on the topic showed a bird dog sniffing around a brush pile with defanged (? Not sure if that's right, but somehow the snakes' venom was neutralized) and every time they got near or sniffed near the brush pile/snake they hit the e collar, so I didn't know if the dog was picking up on general snake sent, specific snake sent or brush pile sent. When will you have your website updated with 2015 dates?
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#5691529 - 04/09/15 08:03 AM Re: snake info [Re: Navasot]
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Originally Posted By: Navasot
Wal you need any copperheads soon?

Yes! Do you have any? I reckon the hogs eat them off of our ranch. We rarely see them.
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#5691531 - 04/09/15 08:04 AM Re: snake info [Re: Duck_Hunter]
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Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
Originally Posted By: wal1809
Originally Posted By: Duck_Hunter
Wal, do your clinics cover cottonmouth and copperhead avoidance? I don't get around rattlesnakes much, but I am worried about the other two. Will the training work for all species of snakes or is it just the species introduced in the clinics?


If I have them at the time I will use them. The training will cross over for all. At one time my labrador wouldn't even cross a garden hose if that will tell you anything.


Sounds effective! You came highly recommended by a forum member, by the way.

Excuse the millions of questions, but the one video I've seen on the topic showed a bird dog sniffing around a brush pile with defanged (? Not sure if that's right, but somehow the snakes' venom was neutralized) and every time they got near or sniffed near the brush pile/snake they hit the e collar, so I didn't know if the dog was picking up on general snake sent, specific snake sent or brush pile sent. When will you have your website updated with 2015 dates?


I dont know about my website. I cant get into it to edit it at the moment. The dog can certainly smell the snake if he is smelling the brush pile.


Edited by wal1809 (04/09/15 02:23 PM)
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#5691829 - 04/09/15 09:56 AM Re: snake info [Re: Guns Up]
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One of my dogs we use to check out the pit blinds for snakes in early teal season.
If he will not go near the blind, you can bet there is a snake in it. It doesn't even have to be a poisonous snake, it can just be a water snake.

He did do the avoidance training two years in a row. On the 3rd year he leaped behind Wal tail tucked, with no correction on a snake he only scented. Each dog is different but you couldn't drag my dog near a snake, if you tried.
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