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#5679692 - 04/01/15 12:44 PM Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap
REALKILLER Offline
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Do we really need to take away from what a deer or any other animal that grows a natural set of antlers, horns, ect? I never understood this. Are we really that worried about symetrical? If a friend ask what de he score I always just say the gross. If they ask about net I say I don't give a [censored] about taking away from the deers antlers. This always reminded me of the government taxing me for something. Does the deer need to be punished. Do they walk around in the woods and look at each others antlers and say to each other, Your antlers gross better than mine, but mine will net out better than yours. Big antlers in the wild can have a over welming effect on smaller antlered animals, and Im pretty sure theyre just looking at the hole picture. So whos big idea was it anyways and why are still net scoring animals?
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#5679701 - 04/01/15 12:50 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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Why are you worried about killing an animal so it will qualify for a "book"? I'm not. I kill the animal I like. I am not worrying about the score or what someone else thinks about it.
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#5679704 - 04/01/15 12:52 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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I don't worry about whether or not my animals will make it into any books. I have always focused on taking game that I truly liked and/or were trophies in my eyes.

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#5679725 - 04/01/15 01:01 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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Im not worried about book, I just never understood the need to net score an animal.
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#5679726 - 04/01/15 01:01 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: stxranchman]
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FWIW, B&C does publish the gross and net scores in adjacent columns in their all-time records book. But only the net score counts for ranking purposes, something many of us think is unfair to the trophy, and thus to the hunter. Other scoring methods agree and skew more toward gross score.

Personally, I have 6 trophies in the all-time B&C book, and I'm quite proud of that. But I have an impressive mule deer and a whitetail (plus a few others) that I and others admire greatly that for one reason or another don't qualify because they don't meet the net minimum.

For B&C, symmetry carries great weight, thus the net score. That's not necessarily wrong, just different.
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#5679728 - 04/01/15 01:01 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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It took me a few post to realize that guys on here use gross score not a Boon and Crockett net score.
Guys at camp use B and C and it is what I have used most of the time.
It really don't matter to me as long as you are using the same method as the other guy when comparing deer.
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#5679785 - 04/01/15 01:43 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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I can honestly say that I don't know any body when asked hey what did he score, they yell out the net score. I am basing the gross measurement on the B C scoring system. I do know about the beams being shorter that the greatest spread deal. Minus that, even though I think that is dumb too. I don't know anybody that says ya he was a 150, when he grossed 160. They will say 160 every time. My main point is that, even in the books, though its not why I hunt, I've always wondered why symmetry is even part of the rule. The deer grew it, so why take it away? That's my point. A deers antler score is always a nice reference when comparing other deer. When I kill a buck its because I made a judgement on age, cull or trophy, and not hey that's a net 150. flag
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#5679856 - 04/01/15 02:29 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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I think the net scoring for B & C is a bunch of bs

Not for humans to decided how to deduct scores on mother natures gifts. Gross scores so we have something to compare to another is fine with me.

If I like it, I kill it. The potential score has never affected my decision making process when pulling the trigger.

If it's mature and I like it: rifle
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#5680058 - 04/01/15 04:54 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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Originally Posted By: REALKILLER
I can honestly say that I don't know any body when asked hey what did he score, they yell out the net score. I am basing the gross measurement on the B C scoring system. I do know about the beams being shorter that the greatest spread deal. Minus that, even though I think that is dumb too. I don't know anybody that says ya he was a 150, when he grossed 160. They will say 160 every time. My main point is that, even in the books, though its not why I hunt, I've always wondered why symmetry is even part of the rule. The deer grew it, so why take it away? That's my point. A deers antler score is always a nice reference when comparing other deer. When I kill a buck its because I made a judgement on age, cull or trophy, and not hey that's a net 150. flag


Not to sure why your even worried about it but a buck that will net 160 typical is allot harder to find than a buck that nets 160 non-typical and far more impressive to me because I realize how much rarer they are.
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#5680236 - 04/01/15 07:00 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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Since I do the measuring and I do the scoring and definitely don't let another tape close to the rack, plus I usually add a 14-19 point differential, well, I don't care. juggle
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#5680294 - 04/01/15 07:36 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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scratch Judging racks can be confussing. 36C 34B 32A 38D, & then ya got the DD's. Havent had that much hands on experiance, so i leave it up ta the experts flag
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#5684753 - 04/04/15 10:23 PM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: REALKILLER]
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Why does there need to be any argument about Gross Score vs Net Score? Each tells you something about the rack...just like the number of points or spread.

Gross Score gives you an idea of the total amount of bone (the overall size) while net score conveys how symmetrical it is.... they are just two data points.

Also think about the number of points. How would you visualize a 170" 8 point versus a 170" 12 point?

If I tell you I killed a 10 point with a gross score of 168 and a net of 166 you'd probably envision a pretty clean and symmetrical 5x5.

If I told you I killed a 10 point with a gross score of 168 and a net of 138 you probably would not be too sure of what the rack looked like.

So I am interested in Gross & Net (as well as any other data like points or spread) because it helps me visualize the rack. I don't look at them as competing with each other...they are data.

As for the record books....B&C (they like net) has their way and SCI has their way (which is sort of like gross). I do not think either is better or worse.....they are different.

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#5684822 - 04/05/15 12:41 AM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: stxranchman]
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Why are you worried about killing an animal so it will qualify for a "book"? I'm not. I kill the animal I like. I am not worrying about the score or what someone else thinks about it.


You know dang good and well you're going to throw a tape on one if for no other reason than to see how close your guess was. grin

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#5684843 - 04/05/15 04:46 AM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: colt.45]
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Originally Posted By: colt.45
scratch Judging racks can be confussing. 36C 34B 32A 38D, & then ya got the DD's. Havent had that much hands on experiance, so i leave it up ta the experts flag


I'm with you sir.

'Been hunting 43 years. Haven't scored a deer yet. There are certain men, especially in Safari Club International, that will go to great lengths, sometimes unethically, to get their animal in the book, to get some "grand slam" trinket awarded by their fellow wealthy (or faking it) good ol' boys.
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#5684906 - 04/05/15 08:13 AM Re: Net score reminds me of some uncle sam bull crap [Re: rifleman]
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Originally Posted By: rifleman
Originally Posted By: stxranchman
Why are you worried about killing an animal so it will qualify for a "book"? I'm not. I kill the animal I like. I am not worrying about the score or what someone else thinks about it.


You know dang good and well you're going to throw a tape on one if for no other reason than to see how close your guess was. grin


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