Huntmaster, I would feel better if I didn't worry about how some people shoot. Since I was 10 or 12 I've hunted with family and friends on family land. We have good shots and we have bad shots. I really don't think that the bad shots consider themselves bad shots. Anyway, some decades ago I had gotten to my stand long before daylight. As usual, a distant cousin (one of the bad shots) showed up late and climbed up into a ladder stand that I could see. Some time later a big doe came out, and the cousin blasted away. Distance was about 200 yards. The deer humped up, spun around, and ran off. The cousin, who didn't know I was observing, walked down to where the deer had been standing, looked around a minute or so and then walked off and I could hear his truck leave. Looked to me that the deer had been gut shot. I walked to the spot, found fresh tracks and could see where the deer spun around. Not much blood, but a little. So I spent the next hour or so tracking the doe. Found her, took her home and skinned her.

So...I think I'm just bashing bad hunters that take shots that they shouldn't. And I guess I'm lumping those folks in with the ones that shoot at deer at very long ranges. It just seems that bad hunters don't know what they can't do, which will often make them long distance shooters. But we can't tell them they can't hunt, and I wouldn't do that even if I could. I just don't want to watch....

I would never impose my perspective or limitations on another.

The purpose of any discussion is for everyone involved to hopefully think and learn.

Long-range hunting is a hugely controversial topic in the hunting community right now, for two primary reasons:
1)Unnecessarily risky shots/incompetence often results in wounded animals; and The vast majority of wounded animals that die of sepsis are caused by hunters taking shots at less than 200 yards.
2)Taking shots at super-long ranges starts to look like something that is not hunting anymore, but target shooting with animals as the targets.

Of course it's a fair topic for discussion. Just about every hunting magazine and hunting forum is discussing it. Most discussions start out just like the OP. Folks are not liking what they see. And the BS they are hearing from those trying to make a buck off of the "long range" hunting craze. So there is pushback-and lots of it.

The "let everyone do what they want and shut up" mantra is stupid. Do we not teach new hunters everything from marksmanship, proper equipment, and hunting techniques? Of course we do. Why? To try and ensure clean kills and success. And, more importantly, to try to ensure a great hunting experience. Yes, but we don't tell them how far they can or can't shoot, whether or not they can hunt with primitive weapons, and we don't tell them what they have to like or not like.

We would never just give a new hunter a gun or a bow and say "Just do what you can and if you wound a bunch and lose them it's no problem." Or at least those that give a rat's a** about hunting wouldn't.

I have seen guys lose Deer they shot at 65 yards also...etc etc..

Its a simple process, don't outpunt your coverage..

Its been talked to death...if you dont have the equipment and skills don't do it..
if it's not Illegal, ill moral or unethical..
Don't worry about it...None of your Business's

I would never impose my perspective or limitations on another.

Im always amazed at what people will say to hide the fact that they aren't good at something.
Usually it comes out in the form of bashing those who are able to do something well.

List of Bitching Topics:
1) Hunting inside a High fence
2) Hunting over bait
3) hunting with calibers too small
4) Hunting with calibers too large
5) Hunting with suppressors
6) Head shots with rifles
7) Head shots with bows
8) gut shooting hogs
9) hunting deer for horns
10) paying to shoot farm breed monster bucks


Is their anything you people won't bitch about?

I would never impose my perspective or limitations on another.

Most independent liberty loving folks wouldn't.

Also, it is not lost on me that we are defending a person who is vehemently opposed to high fences. True liberty is never cherry picked. You are either for liberty or against it.

I wonder if that fact is lost on him?

LOL it is crazy to me how much you (and a couple others) have let a guy on an internet forum get under your skin. Quit giving me so much power over you-I do not want it. It's not good for your stress levels.

Narcissist much??

You were not, I repeat not the subject of that post.

Unless of course you practice long range shooting and set up long range shooting rigs (which is plainly the individual preference BoBo and I were defending). And your board name is Fireman JG.

Calm down a little. It might have a positive effect on your comprehension.

That's a "nothing" response. Meaningless. Nobody is "imposing" anything on anyone. Words on the THF don't carry the force of law. Sheesh. Some just want to say that because I presume it's easier than actually discussing a topic. WHICH IS ALL THAT GOES ON HERE.

There are a lot of opinions posted on here every day I disagree with. My response is either to ignore them or discuss why I disagree. Using logic and facts and reasoning. I don't get pissed or butthurt about it. That doesn't move the ball on anything. It seems that there are some on here that can't stand to be disagreed with-so the response is just to lurk around and throw insults. (Not saying you are one.)

Amazes me the number of posts you will see on any given subject that amount to nothing more than the Jr. High equivalent of "You can't make me!" or "You stink!" It simply shows there is nothing they have to add-either because they have lost the argument or don't have the mental capacity to actually engage in an actual discussion on the subject. (Again, not saying that's you.)

Narcissist much??

You were not, I repeat not the subject of that post.

Unless of course you practice long range shooting and set up long range shooting rigs (which is plainly the individual preference BoBo and I were defending). And your board name is Fireman JG.

Calm down a little. It might have a positive effect on your comprehension.

What does everyone consider long range? 100-200-300-400-500-600-700-800-900-1000?
What I consider long range might not be what you consider long range.
To me 500 yards is the mark for long range. I have shot past that on a pretty regular basis.

Most independent liberty loving folks wouldn't.

Also, it is not lost on me that we are defending a person who is vehemently opposed to high fences. True liberty is never cherry picked. You are either for liberty or against it.

I wonder if that fact is lost on him?

That's because your capable and some are not

So you mean your open minded

Ah well, you're entitled to your opinion.

Fact is, what I do is the exact opposite of what you do. I maintain my shooting ability close range to long range, without the benefit of the perfect rest because what I hunt is not contained inside a fence. They are free on the earth so there is no chance of driving it to the fence to be able to harvest it.

And like NewJeep "long range" doesn't start until 600 yards for me. Several days a week I make a cold bore shot 600 yards or farther to hone my wind reading ability. Because once everything that entails shooting precise and shooting far is learned; rifle, optic, and ammo are no longer a factor, then the only factor that has to be "dealt with" is the wind. And the only reason to do that for hunting purposes is just in case I need to some day.

I came into this via predator hunting, and in my opinion the coyote is the smartest animal on four legs in Texas. If he sees a hunter he is going to leave, a whitetail may stare and not move. This exact scenario has played out several times in the last three months on the wheat fields I hunt adjacent to my land. And in that time hogs have been shot and killed 100-300 yards, a coyote a 343 yards, and another coyote at 540 yards. I'm pretty sneaky but even I know I can't sneak up on a coyote across 2" tall green wheat field.

What I do? You have no clue what I do.

And not even a "thank you" for defending your chosen method of hunting from those who would limit your options given the chance. That says a ton.

I guess one of my concerns it what happens after the shot(s). If you don't just drop the animal and it runs off how do you pick up the blood trail. Shoot a deer at a hundred yards in the woods and it can be difficult to walk through the trees and find the exact spot he/she was standing when you shot. Do it in open terrain where there isn't a tree or bush and it gets more difficult. I've shot a deer or two that at the shot didn't really react like they were hit although it was a good chest shot. The only indicator I had was I knew where the crosshairs were when the gun went off. One of these deer was in a CRP field in Missouri. I never did pick up the blood trail and he only went about 100 yards past me but over the crest of the slope and down into the draw. I found him by doing a grid search in the draw dead by a huge oak tree. What happens when you stretch that out to 750 yards across a draw? Kinda hard to find that spot to start to trail isn't it?

What I do? You have no clue what I do.

And not even a "thank you" for defending your chosen method of hunting from those who would limit your options given the chance. That says a ton.