I am curious how jg came up with the number of 55000+ I am pretty sure he doesn't know 500 personally out of the 55k+

Distance is not Irrelevant, but it is relative. When I was 12 or so, and using a 410 single shot and slugs, 50 yards was a long shot. Then, with the 35 lever gun, 150 yards was a long shot, but considered makeable. Then on to the 270 and a long shot was 350ish. Now, I suppose that I'd consider 400 yards a long shot at something that moves, and that's further than I'm going to shoot a deer these days. For the long range guys, 400 yards isn't much, but they won't impress me at all by shooting a deer at a longer distance. Plainly put, I am impressed by someone that CAN shoot a deer at 600 yards or more, but I am definitely not impressed by someone who WILL shoot a deer at that range. To me, that's target shooting and isn't hunting.

I said you don't know 500 so how can you make the judgement only 40 can. I have no idea how many can or can't but certainly wouldn't perceive because you know 40 that their might be 100 or might be 5000 but shooting at game animal where the margin of error is so little is not the most ethical of choices and I don't give a darn how good you think you can shoot. Then bench is the bench and good for all that like to shoot 1k yards. I shoot decent but would I rather have a 100 yard shot over a 300yd I can make both but if I am hunting I will take the 100 every time. Long range shooting is impressive on a bench my opinion it is not so impressive in the field.

I guess all you doubters need to go to a prairie dog shoot.

It's all about the equipment and skills using it. There are plenty of experienced snipers that would tell those of you with very little experience or none at all that all your opinions and assumptions are incorrect.

Are there people who try this method of hunting that aren't proprerly prepared or take shots that are unethical? Of course there are, but that happens every year with thousands of hunters shooting 100 yards. Taking unethical shots because they haven't even gone to the range to make sure their gun is still holding zero. Never spending any time at the range to have competent shooting skills.

I do agree that there are long range opportunities that are taken on animals by competent shooters that are still taking unethical shots because of weather conditions and animals that move frequently that present high risk points of impact. These hunting shows are some of the worst offenders because all they care about is getting a killed animal on film. Shame on them.

But you are wrong to throw all long rang shooter/hunters into this group. I believe the guys that want to do this grouping and negative comments are just jealous they don't have the same shooting skills.

Im always amazed at what people will say to hide the fact that they aren't good at something.
Usually it comes out in the form of bashing those who are able to do something well.

List of Bitching Topics:
1) Hunting inside a High fence
2) Hunting over bait
3) hunting with calibers too small
4) Hunting with calibers too large
5) Hunting with suppressors
6) Head shots with rifles
7) Head shots with bows
8) gut shooting hogs
9) hunting deer for horns
10) paying to shoot farm breed monster bucks


Is their anything you people won't bitch about?

Im always amazed at what people will say to hide the fact that they aren't good at something.
Usually it comes out in the form of bashing those who are able to do something well.

List of Bitching Topics:
1) Hunting inside a High fence
2) Hunting over bait
3) hunting with calibers too small
4) Hunting with calibers too large
5) Hunting with suppressors
6) Head shots with rifles
7) Head shots with bows
8) gut shooting hogs
9) hunting deer for horns
10) paying to shoot farm breed monster bucks


Is their anything you people won't bitch about?

I have been hunting for over 50 years and hunted in most of the continents.
I have used most calibers from .22Rf to.500 express.Have participated in ISU
style competitions..and have won many tournaments.But my longest shot on the
wild animals has been under 300yds. Never have the courage to wound an animal.
May be called Ethic or Phobia..In my humble opinion if you are hunting reaching
closer to animal is the name of the game.Well,if you want to propagate your Marksmanship
Bench rest Shooting is better plateform...!


Agreed

Have to ask the resident narrow minded Bitcher, The smartest man in the room..

Im always amazed at what people will say to hide the fact that they aren't good at something.
Usually it comes out in the form of bashing those who are able to do something well.

List of Bitching Topics:
1) Hunting inside a High fence
2) Hunting over bait
3) hunting with calibers too small
4) Hunting with calibers too large
5) Hunting with suppressors
6) Head shots with rifles
7) Head shots with bows
8) gut shooting hogs
9) hunting deer for horns
10) paying to shoot farm breed monster bucks


Is their anything you people won't bitch about?

Just watched a hunting show called Long Rangers. The show is about the host taking a buddy antelope hunting and shooting the animal at long range. The guide/host walks through the whole process and talks about his buddy could not make the shot unless he was right beside him coaching him the whole way. The guide/host talks about how many variables there are and how easy it is to make a mistake. He states that doing long range shooting on the range is not that hard - He says in the field in a live situation it is totaly different and open to many variables and mistakes.

Makes me sick. I have hunted for 55 years and all over the world. To think people representing themselves as "hunters" are taking risk like this with animals is totally disrespectful to hunting and game animals in my opinion. Our sport and the game animals deserve better

Huntmaster, I would feel better if I didn't worry about how some people shoot. Since I was 10 or 12 I've hunted with family and friends on family land. We have good shots and we have bad shots. I really don't think that the bad shots consider themselves bad shots. Anyway, some decades ago I had gotten to my stand long before daylight. As usual, a distant cousin (one of the bad shots) showed up late and climbed up into a ladder stand that I could see. Some time later a big doe came out, and the cousin blasted away. Distance was about 200 yards. The deer humped up, spun around, and ran off. The cousin, who didn't know I was observing, walked down to where the deer had been standing, looked around a minute or so and then walked off and I could hear his truck leave. Looked to me that the deer had been gut shot. I walked to the spot, found fresh tracks and could see where the deer spun around. Not much blood, but a little. So I spent the next hour or so tracking the doe. Found her, took her home and skinned her.

So...I think I'm just bashing bad hunters that take shots that they shouldn't. And I guess I'm lumping those folks in with the ones that shoot at deer at very long ranges. It just seems that bad hunters don't know what they can't do, which will often make them long distance shooters. But we can't tell them they can't hunt, and I wouldn't do that even if I could. I just don't want to watch....