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#5673898 - 03/28/15 07:22 PM This is worrys me
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Just watched a hunting show called Long Rangers. The show is about the host taking a buddy antelope hunting and shooting the animal at long range. The guide/host walks through the whole process and talks about his buddy could not make the shot unless he was right beside him coaching him the whole way. The guide/host talks about how many variables there are and how easy it is to make a mistake. He states that doing long range shooting on the range is not that hard - He says in the field in a live situation it is totaly different and open to many variables and mistakes.

Makes me sick. I have hunted for 55 years and all over the world. To think people representing themselves as "hunters" are taking risk like this with animals is totally disrespectful to hunting and game animals in my opinion. Our sport and the game animals deserve better
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#5673937 - 03/28/15 07:53 PM Re: This is worrys me [Re: tlk]
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I agree. Craig Boddington calls it "stunting". I guess what you describe is stunting by proxy.
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#5674187 - 03/28/15 11:24 PM Re: This is worrys me [Re: tlk]
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I feel that it reduces hunting to a long range shooting problem. Personally; I'm not interested in shooting anything in excess of 350 yards and prefer 250 or less.
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#5674260 - 03/29/15 06:32 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: tlk]
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Long range shooting has always been problematic for folks with poor grammar. I've found a thesaurus helpful when taking shots in excess of 350 yards.
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#5674278 - 03/29/15 07:28 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: aerangis]
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What's long range to one; is short range to others--I found that out by making a comment about killing game quickly-- and was just as fast informed that people drop game from 500 to 700 yards like taking candy from a baby.

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#5674291 - 03/29/15 07:43 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: Huntmaster]
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Originally Posted By: Huntmaster
What's long range to one; is short range to others--I found that out by making a comment about killing game quickly-- and was just as fast informed that people drop game from 500 to 700 yards like taking candy from a baby.


The people that say they can do it every time vs. the ones that actually can do it is a ratio of about 100:1. That's just my opinion. smile

You don't see the video of the wounded animals limping off to die unfound. (Oddly enough, I do see quite a few videos of complete misses and then follow ups that get lucky and connect. Seems that as long as the animal dies everything is OK for TV on the long range shows.)
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#5674321 - 03/29/15 08:17 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: tlk]
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Deer sized game start looking like fires ants out past 400 yrds walking
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#5674333 - 03/29/15 08:26 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: tlk]
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Had a guy at work tell me he killed a deer at 400 yards (he stepped it off afterwards) with a .308 iron sites and he'd never shot the gun before. Brand new gun. I said wow that's impressive.

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#5674335 - 03/29/15 08:26 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: REALKILLER]
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Originally Posted By: REALKILLER
Deer sized game start looking like fires ants out past 400 yrds walking


From the guy that claimed a 500 yard kill on a buck.

And no they don't look like fireants outside 400. I see them that far away several times a month on my land.
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#5674339 - 03/29/15 08:28 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: okbowhunter]
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Originally Posted By: okbowhunter
Had a guy at work tell me he killed a deer at 400 yards (he stepped it off afterwards) with a .308 iron sites and he'd never shot the gun before. Brand new gun. I said wow that's bs.


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#5674382 - 03/29/15 08:58 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
Originally Posted By: Huntmaster
What's long range to one; is short range to others--I found that out by making a comment about killing game quickly-- and was just as fast informed that people drop game from 500 to 700 yards like taking candy from a baby.


The people that say they can do it every time vs. the ones that actually can do it is a ratio of about 100:1. That's just my opinion. smile

You don't see the video of the wounded animals limping off to die unfound. (Oddly enough, I do see quite a few videos of complete misses and then follow ups that get lucky and connect. Seems that as long as the animal dies everything is OK for TV on the long range shows.)


you're right, you just read about all the deer that go off limping from poorly placed bow shots every year that all occurred within 40 yards.

distance is irrelevant, the capability of the shooter is not.


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#5674394 - 03/29/15 09:10 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: tlk]
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For some people, those with a range finder that compensate for altitude, angle, etc as well as devices for wind speed and direction....and rifles that shoot accurately and have scopes that compensate for distance and wind, those long range shots off a bench at a targets are very very doable. It s a very controlled environment and the know most of the variables. I see post on the THF of guys shooting targets at distances that I would never imagine for myself.

On an animal I think the number of people that can shoot long range starts to shrink rapidly because you may have the same rifle and equipment but your shooting rest is less stable, you may not have all the time in the world to set up your shot... and most importantly you have a target (the animal) that may not stand still (like the steel gong at 1000 yds)...and you can squeeze off the perfect shot and the animal still has time to move between the squeeze and the impact. So even if you are one of those few who have the shooting skills you still don't control the animal and its ability to move....so there is a variable that you cannot control. While you have this at any range (animal may move), at longer ranges it becomes more of a factor (magnifies).

So I think that there are guys who can shoot long range on game reliably (500 yards plus), but that number is few (NP may be generous at 1 in 100). As for the guy who "coached" his friend through that long range shot, the poster who described it as "stunting" is in my opinion accurate..... they did it for a TV show...and since it's TV (and edited) we never see the wounding shots.





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#5674410 - 03/29/15 09:22 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: tlk]
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I guess all you doubters need to go to a prairie dog shoot.

It's all about the equipment and skills using it. There are plenty of experienced snipers that would tell those of you with very little experience or none at all that all your opinions and assumptions are incorrect.

Are there people who try this method of hunting that aren't proprerly prepared or take shots that are unethical? Of course there are, but that happens every year with thousands of hunters shooting 100 yards. Taking unethical shots because they haven't even gone to the range to make sure their gun is still holding zero. Never spending any time at the range to have competent shooting skills.

I do agree that there are long range opportunities that are taken on animals by competent shooters that are still taking unethical shots because of weather conditions and animals that move frequently that present high risk points of impact. These hunting shows are some of the worst offenders because all they care about is getting a killed animal on film. Shame on them.

But you are wrong to throw all long rang shooter/hunters into this group. I believe the guys that want to do this grouping and negative comments are just jealous they don't have the same shooting skills.
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#5674413 - 03/29/15 09:25 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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#5674438 - 03/29/15 09:47 AM Re: This is worrys me [Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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PP, If your comment was directed at my post, it was not intended to slam long range shooters or those that CAN do long range hunting shots. My point, lots of variables ..some you cannot control....and the pool of people who can hunt game reliably at long distances is a small one.


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