In another thread, one of the denizens here mentioned swinging a small hog around by it's rear legs and bashing it's head on a solid object to kill it. I staunchly disagreed with his method and said so. Long story short, I'm not going to change his mind and he is not going to change mine. I brought up Fair Chase and another person chimed in re: guns, suppressors and night vision, baiting, etc... I do not currently use any of this except the guns. I have used suppressors and night vision before clearing hogs for a farmer but do not use them for sport.
But anyway, it was hijacking another thread so...
Boone & Crocketts hunter ethics are posted as:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.
Other items considered may be:
•The hunter herded or spotted the animal from air and then quickly landed to pursue. •It was herded or chased by a motorized vehicle. •Electronic communication devices are being used. •It is confined by artificial barriers or transplanted for commercial shooting. •It is trapped or drugged. •It's swimming, trapped in snow or helpless in any nature.
Currently I walk and stalk in the woods. No supps, daytime only, no baits, no calls, just hunting tracks, sights and sounds. I regard this as pretty fair.
What about the rest of you? What do you think of Fair Chase and how much, if any, of it do you apply to your hunting?
Loc: Ontario, Grey County
Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
To me, it does not apply to hogs. They are vermin. Trap them, shoot them at night, run them off a cliff, drown them, bash them against trees,.........
I don't care. Just kill them.
I would add racoons, porcupines and ISIS as other critters where anything goes.
Never violate a woman, nor harm a child. Do not lie, cheat or steal. These things are for lesser men. Protect the weak against the evil strong. And never allow thoughts of gain to lead you into the pursuit of evil.
My opinion...Varmints can be taken out by any legal means. A blow to the back of the head is much more humane than any shot that doesn't cause instant death. A pipe, rod, oar, or blunt object isn't the normal tool of the hunter, so I understand why many may be offended by it. I have personally killed a hundred or more hogs with my bare hands and blunt force on the farm. It is way more effective than a botched shot.
Fair chase has to do with a comment I made to IamMr2 in the thread about hogs swimming in a lake.
Rather than drag that thread way off course he started this one. An admirable thing to do, and I don't think he is being a troll by doing so.
I had forgotten that shooting swimming animals was included in the definition of fair chase.
However as several have stated here already, fair chase doesn't apply to exterminating varmints. It us not considered unethical to use means such as night vision to kill them. It us also not unethical to kill them while they are swimming.
But, if anyone were to show a video of someone swinging a piglet around and smashing its head in a kayak it would probably bring discredit to the hunting community. It would be funny to see someone try however, I think the outcome would be the piglet swimming off and the kayaker upside down in the water.
I apply Fair Chase to my Hunting of Game Animals such as deer, rabbits, turkeys ect... that are covered under game laws.
Feral Hogs are not game animals they are a nuisance species. Therefor Fair Chase does not apply and any method of killing as long as it is done quickly without undue suffering is fine including killing hogs while they are swimming.
I see no problem or contradiction of using Fair Chase for game animals and any legal methods for nuisance species.
Edited by VAFish (03/26/1507:27 AM)
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I didn't think he was trolling didn't get that from his post. I'm for ethics and quick kills no matter the animal but these hogs are out of control. Fun to hunt but you have to kill them when you can. I'd hunt them from a helicopter if I had the money to pay for that and I know that's not fair chase. I don't hunt hogs at night with night vision number one I don't have the equipment number two it doesn't interest me to hunt that way. I don't criticize or think wrong of someone else doing it. Shoot a deer at night and I'm going to think pretty poorly of you.