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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Navasot]
#5677746
03/31/15 02:52 PM
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Lochsley123
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So do yall agree with S#s on a gun? Kinda stepping into that shall not be infringed thing They come in handy when one has been stolen.
What kind of lights does it shoot out? Like are we talkin the mini bulb Christmas lights or a 500 watt flood light?
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Scary Poppins]
#5756025
05/23/15 02:57 AM
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Reloader-7
Bird Dog
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Well it looks like it's gonna happen!! Final Passage in the Senate tonight and it's on to the Governor for his signature!
1911 - for the times when 911 just isn't fast enough.
"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe when the legislature is in session." - Will Rogers
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Scary Poppins]
#5757035
05/24/15 03:37 AM
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tenyearsgone
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Not so fast. Still needs house concurrence vote.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: tenyearsgone]
#5762541
05/28/15 12:35 AM
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Superduty
"The Regulator"
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Do you have a link. I looked and have not seen anything saying that. Thank you.
'It's Only Treason if You Lose."
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Scary Poppins]
#5762644
05/28/15 01:26 AM
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tenyearsgone
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Saw the vote. Maybe I should rephrase; it's all but officially dead.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: tenyearsgone]
#5762656
05/28/15 01:31 AM
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Superduty
"The Regulator"
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"The Regulator"
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Saw the vote. Maybe I should rephrase; it's all but officially dead.
'It's Only Treason if You Lose."
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Scary Poppins]
#5762850
05/28/15 03:14 AM
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hovercat
Bird Dog
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Once again managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: tenyearsgone]
#5762854
05/28/15 03:15 AM
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Ihunt
Bird Dog
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Theres still a chance OC will pass. If the conference committee cannot come to agreement it will go back to the house and may pass in that vote. If the conference committee does come to agreement then its back to the Senate where it will probably die. Lawmakers acknowledged that while it landed, the blow was glancing at best. "I have no doubt that at the end of the day there will be an open carry bill passed in the 84th session," said bill sponsor Rep. Larry Phillips, R-Sherman.
Rep. Poncho Nevarez, the only Democrat of the House's conferees, said he thinks there's little he and other open carry opponents can do because the bill itself enjoys such universal support among Republicans. If the 10-member conference committee fails to come to an agreement, he said, the House will accept the Huffines amendment rather than kill the bill all together.
"I wish it was a death knell, but I know differently," said Nevarez, D-Eagle Pass. "I think we're past the ideal outcome
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Scary Poppins]
#5762874
05/28/15 03:30 AM
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passthru
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We really need to run the damn democrats out of the state. Trouble is we keep bringing in more and more from yankee land, and worse, California.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: passthru]
#5762906
05/28/15 03:52 AM
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Ihunt
Bird Dog
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Bird Dog
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If this does not pass this session it won't be because of democrats. A lot of republicans voted against concurrence that would have sent it straight to the gov. instead of to the conference committee.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Choctaw]
#5763013
05/28/15 12:25 PM
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schmellba99
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Woodsman
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Yep, those other 44 states must have blood in the streets and folks getting their weapons stolen off their hip at every turn It will call for heightened situational awareness on the part of the person carrying. Open carry also makes one a target because you are definitely drawing attention to yourself, unless of course you are just one unbelievably bad azz gunfighter. No, you don't make yourself a target. I really wish these internet myths would die a violent death, because they are old and worn out and just flat out not true.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Scary Poppins]
#5763023
05/28/15 12:31 PM
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schmellba99
Woodsman
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Woodsman
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tolen from AR15.com, not my work just passing it along
For those of you not following the Open Carry political saga in Texas closely, let me give a short summary. Recently, the House voted to send the Open Carry bill to the Senate with the Dutton Amendment (shown below). The Senate stripped out the Dutton Amendment in Committee; but Senator Huffhines later proposed an ALMOST identical amendment from the floor that was accepted. The two amendments are posted below for your comparison:
quote: Dutton Amendment Sec. 411.2049. CERTAIN INVESTIGATORY STOPS AND INQUIRIES PROHIBITED. A peace officer may not make an investigatory stop or other temporary detention to inquire as to whether a person possesses a handgun license solely because the person is carrying a partially or wholly visible handgun carried in a shoulder or belt holster.
quote: Huffhines Amendment Sec. 411.2049. CERTAIN INVESTIGATORY STOPS AND INQUIRIES PROHIBITED. A peace officer may not make an investigatory stop or other temporary detention to inquire as to a person's possession of a handgun license solely because the person is carrying in a shoulder or belt holster a partially or wholly visible handgun.
The following legislators voted YES for the Dutton Amendment, but when presented with damn near identical language in the Huffhines Amendment, voted NO and have put the passage of Open Carry in serious doubt. If you wish to question your legislator about this hypocrisy, I have done everything I know to do to make it easy for you. If you don't want to bother with what district you live in, I've listed the counties for a quicker reference. All you need to do is click on the email link. Please take just a moment of your time and get involved to ask these legislators why they were OK with the Dutton Amendment language but voted against the Huffhines Amendment language? And please share your responses with the rest of us.
Who is my Texas Representative and District? Anderson, Charles Represents McLennan County District 56 Email Ashby. Trent Angeline, Houston, Leon, Madison, San Augustine, Trinity Counties District 57 Email Aycock, Jimmie Don Lampasas, Bell Counties District 54 Email Bohac, Dwayne Harris County District 138 Email Bonnen, Dennis Brazoria, Matagorda Counties District 25 Email Bonnen, Greg Galveston County District 24 Email Burkett, Cindy Dallas County District 113 Email Cook, Bryan Anderson, Freestone, Hill, Navarro Counties District 8 Email Dale, Tony Williamson County District 136 Email Davis, Sarah Harris County District 134 Email Farney, Marsha Burnet, Milam, Williamson Counties District 20 Email Fletcher, Allan Harris County District 130 Email Frank, James Archer, Baylor, Clay, Foard, Know, Wichita Counties District 69 Email Galindo Bexar County District 117 Email Geren Tarrant County District 99 Email If there is any Representative on this list who deserves a break, it may be Rep. Geren as he sponsored the NFA Shall Sign bill. However, if I lived in his district, I would still want to know why he voted as he did. Goldman, Craig Tarrant County District 97 Email Gonzales, Larry Williamson County District 52 Email Harless, Patricia Harris County District 126 Email Herrero, Abel Nueces County District 34 - Email King, Ken Armstrong, Bailey, Briscoe, Castro, Cochran, Donley, Gray, Hale, Hansford, Hemphill, Hockley, Lamb, Lipscomb, Ochiltree, Roberts, Swisher, Yoakum Counties District 88 - Email King, Phil Parker, Wise Counties District 61 - Email Koop, Linda Dallas County District 102 - Email Larson, Lyle Bexar County District 122 - Email Meyer, Morgan Dallas County District 108 - Email Miller, Doug Gillespie, Kendall, Comal Counties District 73 - Email Miller, Rick Fort Bend County District 26 Email Moody, Joe El Paso County District 78 - Email Morrison, Geanie Aransas, Calhoun, DeWitt, Goliad, Refugio, Victoria Counties District 30 - Email Murphy, Jim Harris County District 133 - Email Pena, Gilbert Harris County District 144 - Email Sheets, Kenneth Dallas County District 107 - Email Sheffield, J. D. Erath, Comanche, McCulloch, Mills, Hamilton, Coryell, San Saba, Somvervell District 59 - Email Smith, Wayne Harris County District 128 - Email Smithee, John Dallam, Hartley, Oldham, Deaf Smith, Randall, Parmer District 86 - Email Stephenson, Phil Fort Bend, Jackson, Wharton Counties District 85 - Email Villaba, Jason Dallas County District 114 - Email Zerwas, John Fort Bend County District 28 - Email
Please share this with other gunboards as well. I have a AR15.com/VBB friendly formatted document in Word I will be happy to share with anyone who wishes to repost this on other forums so you don't even have to do any work there either.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Choctaw]
#5763040
05/28/15 12:43 PM
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schmellba99
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Yep, those other 44 states must have blood in the streets and folks getting their weapons stolen off their hip at every turn It will call for heightened situational awareness on the part of the person carrying. Open carry also makes one a target because you are definitely drawing attention to yourself, unless of course you are just one unbelievably bad azz gunfighter. Well, can you show me where in another open carry state the peeps have a target because they had a handgun on their hip? Like I said, if it was as big of an issue as some of y'all seem to think it will be, then the majority of the state's must have all sorts of carnage caused by it, so, show me I just speak from experience. I was a uniform police officer for 18 years, and have been plainclothes for the past nine. How many years have you open carried? I know what the difference is between open carry and concealed. If you don't think wearing that gun for all the world to see doesn't change how you handle yourself in a public place you are naive. If it doesn't change how you handle yourself you are just being foolish. I'm glad Texas has passed this law and I support it 100%. You do need to make adjustments to daily activities though. I speak from experience as well. I lived in Arizona for 6 years, which is a constitutional open carry (also concealed carry) state. And I can tell you that carrying as a LEO is completely different than carrying as somebody choosing to open carry - you have different agendas, duties and responsibilities and it is very difficult to draw a true comparison between the two. When I first moved from Texas to AZ, seeing somebody openly carry was strange to me - and frankly I didn't realize how restrictive Texas actually is with firearms until I moved to a place that had very few restrictions. Sure, I paid attention to the people I saw openly carrying - it was strange to me and kind of a novelty. But after a week or two, it became just another part of life really. The vast majority of open carrying was done in more rural areas, though it was common enough in downtown PHX that it wasn't massively out of place. And of those open carrying, the vast majority of them were normal folks - in downtown, the people were wearing suits and ties and carrying briefcases. Not exactly something you freak out over. There were a couple of people that I saw that were questionable based on their looks, and sure, I kept them in the corner of my vision. But nothing happend. Open carriers were not attacked and ambushed by bad guys, they weren't sniped from across the street by bad guys, soccer moms didn't scream in panic and create mass hysteria at the sight of a firearm on somebody's hip. Basically - life went on as normal. I didn't open carry every day - hell, I didn't conceal carry every day either. But having the option to carry how I wanted based on my dress, the temperature, where I was going, what I was doing, etc. was awful nice to have at my disposal. If it were to pass here (I have my doubts), will there be businesses that brush up on their signage? Sure - there were when CCW passed as well. And yet we manage to continue living life every day without really much in the way of changes. And, like anything else, exposure to the unwashed masses is not a bad thing. In relatively short time frames people will become fairly desensitized to firearms and they become more accustomed to them as a part of life, and you move on. Every single "what if" scenario spouted off by people on this thread and every other message board are the exact same "what if" scenarios that the lefites screamed as doom and gloom from the mountain tops when CCW was proposed and debated on. And we have collectively proved them to be exactly that - myth. Please don't perpetuate hypotheticals that are based in nothing more than wet panty hand wringing espoused primarily by those that have little to no experience on the actual subject at hand.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Scary Poppins]
#5764997
05/29/15 06:56 PM
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passthru
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I know of several CHL holders who have done dumb things with their guns. It happens. There are plenty of documented examples of the "hypotheticals" being realized in all of the open carry states. All of you idiots who claim they never happen are as pathetic as the liberals who claim it will be anarchy and blood in the streets. I personally think it's unnecessary for me to have open carry when I can and prefer to carry concealed. But I also believe in less government restriction in all parts of my life including this area.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Scary Poppins]
#5765430
05/29/15 11:43 PM
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bucksnbass357
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It passed. Gonna be signed into law.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: tenyearsgone]
#5765494
05/30/15 12:30 AM
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T Bone
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I really hate to do what I am about to do, because it will be very painful for you.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: Scary Poppins]
#5765548
05/30/15 01:03 AM
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The Dude Abides
THF Trophy Hunter
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It's near DDFD (Done, Done, F'n, Done)! Link
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: The Dude Abides]
#5765639
05/30/15 02:02 AM
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Ihunt
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Bird Dog
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The best part of the bill is that it reduces the penalty for not seeing a 30.06 sign from a class A misdemeanor to a class C. It will still be a class A if you are asked to leave and refuse.
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Re: Open Carry
[Re: T Bone]
#5765845
05/30/15 04:28 AM
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tenyearsgone
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It was all but dead the other day.
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