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#5650668 - 03/13/15 10:54 PM Interesting read on Tactical Scopes
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Saw this review of various scopes and thought it interesting.

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Bushnell 3.5-21X50 did pretty well against much higher dollar scopes
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#5650860 - 03/14/15 07:37 AM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: kmon1]
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Very interesting and thorough review. Wish he had included the SWFA HD 5-20. He says he didn't because it was on the bottom end of his price criteria, but it wouldn't have even been the cheapest scope in the lineup.

edit to add: admittedly, it's one of the most (if not the most) thorough scope reviews I've ever seen. Just wish I could've seen how the SWFA stacked up against the big dogs in his eyes.


Edited by patriot07 (03/14/15 08:28 AM)

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#5651399 - 03/14/15 06:07 PM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: kmon1]
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It's a great review. Since this March has stated that they use a different type of mil measurement which is why their representation was off. I'm not sure I buy that but I don't really care as I have others I want in that price range.
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#5651547 - 03/14/15 08:34 PM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: dee]
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It's a great review. Since this March has stated that they use a different type of mil measurement which is why their representation was off. I'm not sure I buy that but I don't really care as I have others I want in that price range.
Maybe they use a true milliradian instead of the US military's definition of a mil?

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#5651607 - 03/14/15 09:07 PM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: patriot07]
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Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: dee
It's a great review. Since this March has stated that they use a different type of mil measurement which is why their representation was off. I'm not sure I buy that but I don't really care as I have others I want in that price range.
Maybe they use a true milliradian instead of the US military's definition of a mil?


A Mil is a Miliradian. It is a triginometry function, and the U.S. military is not in charge of triginometry.


I will read the review tomorrow.
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#5651615 - 03/14/15 09:13 PM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
the U.S. military is not in charge of triginometry.



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#5651651 - 03/14/15 09:41 PM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: Tff caribou]
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#5651694 - 03/14/15 10:13 PM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: patriot07]
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Originally Posted By: patriot07
Wish he had included the SWFA HD 5-20.


I doubt the 5-20 would have stacked up well against these other scopes. It just doesn't stand a chance in features or ergonomics. No zero stop, reticle options, no second rev indicator, no turret locks, mag ring problems, etc, etc.

It would have been cool to see how it stacks up in the glass and mechanical performance tests.
After all, these are the most important features of a long range scope.
Does it track reliably and does it have good enough glass to identify the target?

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#5651849 - 03/15/15 05:40 AM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: 6.5x47Lapua]
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Have you ever used one?
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#5651855 - 03/15/15 07:00 AM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Have you ever used one?


No, but I'm not sure that really matters much. I haven't used most of the scopes on that list. A large portion of that test were based on a scopes features. Judging things like zero stops, turret locks, reticle options, secondary rev indicators, ease of use, etc, etc. That is where the swfa falls short. Thats ok, swfa is trying to provide value, and features cost money. I completely understand that.

I too wish it would have been included. I am genuinely curious how it would have stacked up in the tracking and glass department.

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#5652023 - 03/15/15 10:37 AM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: kmon1]
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I recently went with the bushnell model with the g2dmr reticle. I couldn't be happier for the price and don't regret the decision one bit!!
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#5652026 - 03/15/15 10:38 AM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: kmon1]
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Obviously it lacks somewhere for it to be so great and none of the top big boys use it.

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#5652062 - 03/15/15 11:20 AM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: kmon1]
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Very thorough, unbiased review. I really liked how he showed the value for your money chart.
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#5652075 - 03/15/15 11:27 AM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: dee
It's a great review. Since this March has stated that they use a different type of mil measurement which is why their representation was off. I'm not sure I buy that but I don't really care as I have others I want in that price range.
Maybe they use a true milliradian instead of the US military's definition of a mil?


A Mil is a Miliradian. It is a triginometry function, and the U.S. military is not in charge of triginometry.


I will read the review tomorrow.


Supposedly there is two different versions or standards of the milradian. There was a large discussion on SH about it after the review.
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#5652135 - 03/15/15 12:12 PM Re: Interesting read on Tactical Scopes [Re: FiremanJG]
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Originally Posted By: patriot07
Originally Posted By: dee
It's a great review. Since this March has stated that they use a different type of mil measurement which is why their representation was off. I'm not sure I buy that but I don't really care as I have others I want in that price range.
Maybe they use a true milliradian instead of the US military's definition of a mil?


A Mil is a Miliradian. It is a triginometry function, and the U.S. military is not in charge of triginometry.


I will read the review tomorrow.
From what I've read, this is incorrect. There are 6283 thousandths of a radian in a circle. The US military rounds up to 6400 to simplify the math. This does help with the math, but also introduces a 2% error in ranging.

Consequently, a "mil" to someone in the US military is actually smaller than a true milliradian according to a mathematician.

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