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Started to not comment on this thread...felt like I needed to dispell some bad history info but FWIW here goes JMHO & YMMV.

1st Gen Nosler BT's were notoriously thin skinned grenades when fired at anything wearing fur at approching +25-2700 fps IMPACTS. BTDT and TMI of my personal experience, that is hanging on the wall above me right now, for here right now. I did not shoot anymore NBT's for 10= years after that...until I had a heart to heart with someone from a sister company to Nosler.

The Delrin polycarbonite Tip's sole initial purpose was to protect the bullet from deformation from hard recoil INSIDE the magazine of the rifle. The NBT is the same basic design as the old "Red Box" Flat Base SP's, that were famous for getting beat up inside the magazine. I bought a bunch of 270 130gr FBSP's on the last production run 5-6 years ago from the Nosler Pro Shop (& still have the same problem I always did with bullet tip deformation) as my T3 270 puts them all in the same hole...wish't I'd bought a K of 'em, but who knew...Oh Well.

The 2nd Gen bullets beginning with 308 diameters had a redesign to a more sturdy jacket in "bullets designated for game & not VT's" , to respond to constant consumer reports of "blowups & or failure to penetrate" at High Velocity Impacts. This was 20+ years ago (** 7-08 120gr'ers & supposedly 6.5 120'gers at the request of the handgun 600 yard steel target guys that use 60-80+ of the production got Nosler to use the thicker 140gr jackets about 5 years ago but still have a recc'd Impact V Range of 1800 - 2900fps) and was to extend eventually down the caliber line as far as 264 & 257 diameters - I'll find out on the 264's after I burn up the last 100ct box of Sierra 120gr SGK's I have that have always given me virtual No Mo Step's DRT's....and why you don't see any light for caliber Accubonds, that use the same heavier jackets + a bonding agent as the NBT's are s'possed to have. So if you see a NBT-NBST & a NAB in the same bullet weight, then both s'possed to have the same heavier 2nd Gen jacket no matter the caliber.

Combined Technology Corp owns the trademark for NBST's and they usually have a MV enhancement coating is the only difference I'm told...and has been my experience in buying Blems from the Pro Shop.

In the past I have had issues with soft bullets at times, from very up close & personal distances on hogs, but the worst was needing 4 Rbt's 100gr WW factory soft aluminum silver tips to finish off a little 125-130 lb'er boar, after wrecking his shoulder at 50 yards on a miss placed headshot, punching both lungs, one at a time at closer and closer distances, and finally venting his skull cap with a 3rd eye at 30 feet when he charged me as I was trying to get untangled from a Briar thicket with finger thick canes ... so I am not surprised, or disappointed with the 30 cal 150 gr NBT in the OP's experience.

Sounds like he got the bullet into BOTH the Shield & the shoulder joint socket...BTDT too...but usually with a max fast Speer Hot Core or Grand Slam out of a 270 in 150gr'ers. I don't like shootn'em at 30 feet when I can't get loose to climb a tree.

My last up close up hog kill came when he ate a Factory 165gr Remmy CorLokt, that travelled 2-3 feet across him from clipping the outside of his left hip, breaking his last 3 ribs on the front-left side, stirring his HVAC system to soup & breaking his right front shoulder joint, but with no exit, out of 30'06 at +/- 27-2800??fps...but he waa running away from me at 40-50 feet instead of coming after me ...and I still had to put a 2nd round in him to get a final DRT.
Ron

Wileycoyote, I have a partial box of the good old 130 grain Nosler Solid Base Boattail bullets for the 270. If that's the bullet you truly like the best, I'll be happy to send them to you. All my pet loads for the 270 are now with the NBT, so I won't go back to the old bullet. Just PM me with your address and I'll send em on to you.

As for the 120 grainers for the 260, I have a sack of em and they have done a real good job on anything I've used it on. Interesting to know that they have a slightly heavier jacket. Right now I'm using the 100 grainers, and they do fine also, but don't seem quite as effective as the 120's. The deer run 50 yards instead of 15 yards before hitting the ground.

And just to say it, so that all will understand that the Nosler Ballistic Tip isn't something that I'm completely focused on, SST's are loaded for the 308 and I use Sierra GK's some too. All fine bullets. I do think that the NBT's might be just a tiny bit more accurate than most others, but I can't prove it. And nothing I've shot with the NBT's would have been any more or less dead if I'd used any of 10 other good bullets. And a while back I loaded up some Sierra 140 gr HPBT bullets for my late Dad's old Ruger 270 and they were extremely accurate. I was really surprised and pleased. I'd use that bullet without a moment's hesitation, if I didn't have a big sack of Noslers.

Hogs are just tough animals.. I had a 280lb hog take a 230gr 35.rem to the shoulder at 75yrds and made it another 100yrds before he tipped...

really cool pig btw id do a rug mount with that one

603...I'll be happy to use those leftovers...but I'd think you could almost substitute them interchangably with the same weight NBT's and not see a 1/4" difference in group size if they were mixed together at under 200 yards.

270 130gr Red Box FBSP's have a .404 BC, according to my Nosler #2 Manual, and the 130gr NBT's BC is .435 in the Nosler #7 book...or about the difference 'tween a FB & a BTail. Check it out and I'll get back to you when I start loading for the 270 in a couple weeks after the weather breaks.
Ron

This is a fact.

The part that always bothered me about the ballistic silver tip was the bullet box itself. On the back it said these shells are recommended for thin skinned game and showed a picture of a white tail. Wow thin skinned game. Are we trying to kill the skin or the animal? This told me that these shells may have issues with penetration. After all what are we hunting with them. The white tail or mule deer on the box. Those are some thin skinned animals for sure, but whats on the inside. That's what Im worried about. Bone, meat, cartilage, internal organs. If I want to hunt rhino Ill buy some solids, that's not confusing. I found myself wanting to put the shells back on the shelf. I want to hear something like, for deer and similar sized game for deep penetration and a good mushroomed bullet picture on the box. I can kill big or small game with any kind of bullet made, but I don't want anything coming out of my bore that leaves me with a insecure feeling. Thin skinned game says to me WARNING READ THIS. so we can cover our rears. Hey they look cool though. I honestly dont know what they do to the deer and Im not ever going to shoot them again. I cut one long ways to dissect the bullet. It was thin skinned with a hard core. This I do know. Thin skinned bullet for a thin skinned animal? no thanks

There are some sizable African Antelope up to 2000lbs that are ranked in the General "thin skinned game" category....along with Elk, Moose, etc. Lots of Elk are killed every year using heavy BT's & BST's in 30'06's.

The name is an Industry standard description that conotates " NOT For Use on Critters That Bite Back" aka DG or Dangerous Game.

In the pile of 9.3x62 stuff along with the CZ 9.3 American I just sold a neighbor was a couple box's of old 250gr Green Tipped Ballistic Tips I'd planned on using on Elk or Black Bear. The 9.3 BT's got discontinued 'cause some DA's were using them on Cape Buffalo and whining about no One Shot Kills, and almost getting stomped and gored into fajita meat in the process...so Nosler dropped the green tipped stuff and turned them into AccuBonds at twice the price.

Dawaba will tell us that 9.3 is marginal small for Daga Boys anyway, but an old friend has run a similar soft point 9.3 bullet plumb thru a Thin Skinned 2000lb'er front to back and side to side on another one.
Ron

Wiley, the bullets I have are not the flat based ones. These are the boat tails that were replaced by the Ballistic Tip. They probably would shoot to about the same POI, but I'd have to shoot some of them to be sure of it, which is too much trouble. If you still do want them, just tell me where to send them. Otherwise they'll be taking up space in my overloaded bullet crate forever.

They are pricey too. The thin skinned thang is educational. thanks.

Use 150gr soft points in .308 and normally they drop and dance. Not many exits either, which I like.

603, I appreciate the offer, but for the moment I'll pass and work on the 900+ 270's I got on the shelf & the same kinda space problems you do apparently. Sold off the 9.3x62 and might get rid of the 300WSM too to concentrate on just 2 or 3 at most calibers. 2/3 calibers is plenty to keep up with no more than I get to shoot or hunt anymore...just need to decide which 2 to keep running. A 260 and a 270 are too close together in usefullness at least on paper. So I'm not PLANNING on buying ANYMORE bullets right now 'til I figger this out.
Ron

WC, I'm pretty sure I never said that. I've never owned a 9.3, nor have I shot any game with one. From what I hear, the 9.3 will do anything the .375 Holland will, providing both use similar bullets. It is apparently very popular among Continental sportsmen as a favorite African caliber. Gun writer John Barsness actually prefers it to the .375 H&H. I shot both of my cape buffalo with the 300 gr Nosler Partition with the old Holland, and both were killed quite dead to my satisfaction.

I have used the Ballistic Tips on quite a few whitetails in 120 and 140 gr .284 caliber, as well as 100 gr out of the .25-06. I cannot recall whether any hogs have fallen to BTs out of my guns, but I wouldn't have any qualms about taking on even a big boar with one (just so long as the bullet isn't labeled "varmint").

The largest animals I have taken with Ballistic Tips were both shot with the 140 gr bullet out of my ULA .284 Winchester. They were a west Texas aoudad and a Wyoming Bighorn ram, both animals about twice as large a big Texas buck. The BTs did their job, as would any standard cup and core bullet. For bigger, tougher animals, I've always been a Partition fan, and I'm too old to change now, although I'm growing fonder of the Barnes TTSX each time I use it.

I love Nosler Ballistic Tips in 270 and 7mag. Remember it's the angle of the dangle that matters. Place the shot correctly and the dead animal dosen't know what you shot him with...

Whatever happened to the OP?

Dawaba, My apologies if I have misquoted you. My memory is not well focused these days with the other family medical issues taking the bulk of my time and interests.

Yes I am aware of Mule Deer's interests and thoughts concerning a 9.3x62.

I'm sure the OP has gone on to better subjects.
Ron

Ive tried several types of ammo with my 308 and setteled on Hornady Interlocks. I prefer an exit wound and ballistic tips are not going to give you much of an exit wound.

And to think I have killed em with a 17hmr???

Ive run them down with a 22 ruger pistol and killed them, but it aint easy. Ear shots on a hog that is running now that's a challenge. Have even spine shot a few with the 22 while grazing.

No worries! I think it would be fun to pick up a 9.3x62 and work up some loads. It would be a blast to try it out on a coastal grizzly this Labor Day. But I'll likely take a .338 WM or maybe my .300 WM, stoked with Nosler Partitions of course.

One of my 2 pigs one shot kills came from 150gr Nosler BT.

I used them almost exclusively until I started casting. Most of my boolits are now lead but still use BT in my 300 wm. Never had a problem.

I shoot a 308 and use 150, 165, 180 grains, eberything from ballistic tip,fmj, core lock. My focus is to make sure I am sighted in with the ammo. BUT ALWAYS TAKE A FOLLOW UP SHOT, OR KEEP MY GUN ON THE PIG READY TO FIRE UNTIL I AM SURE IT IS DONE.

These wont fragment.